ATTN: Audio recording nerds / drummers / music snobs (click-track content)[views:8295][posts:31]____________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:13pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] Anybody have any experience building their own click tracks? I’ve never done it on my own and need something a little more complex than a simple metronome. I’ve heard of some people spending dough on a hardware-based drum machine to do this. Countless others have said to just make click tracks in Guitar Pro. I booted up Guitar Pro some time ago to see if I could take a stab at it, but I came away from it with the impression that I had to invest oodles of time in order to adapt it to do what I want it to (which isn’t what it's designed for at all). For the software-based approach I think I just need something that would allow me to program in a certain number of measures in a certain time signature and at a certain tempo. Time signatures and tempos would change throughout each song. I would just place a single note of some instrument (cowbell, clave, woodblock, whatever) on every downbeat. I would then bounce this song to an mp3 / wav file and just chuck it on a sampler to either play through a PA or through headphones at practice. I would also want the ability to change that instrument sound with some minor finagling too. (Obviously I would have to re-edit the “song” in whatever software, but I would not want to re-build every measure of a song, just change the instrument sound out). I assume all this would be able to be accomplished in some sort of drum machine software as well. The only issue is that I know precisely dick and squat about what’s good. Anybody have any suggestions? They would be greatly appreciated. A combination of easy and free/cheap sounds ideal. Hugs and kisses, msd |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:17pm - arilliusbm ""] Yes and no you didn't can't but will won't. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:20pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] But will I have to of no? Or could I wait until the won't of it anyway? |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:23pm - arktouros ""] i've had good results with mapping out tabs in fl studio. would work with click tracks at any tempo and time i'm pretty sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FL_Studio |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:25pm - eyeroller ""] The programming needed to do that is no more complicated than doing a "drum track" on a drum machine, might as well program the drums the way you want them and then have the drums overdubbed (since that's essentially what's happening anyway, playing to a click track that's going to be removed is essentially the same as playing to a drum track that's going to be removed). Besides, it's easy to get lost with simple clicks vs full-on drum tracks (however fake). |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:28pm - arilliusbm ""] FUCK FRUITY LOOPS |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:29pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] arktouros said:i've had good results with mapping out tabs in fl studio. would work with click tracks at any tempo and time i'm pretty sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FL_Studio Was the first thing I thought of. Just map out the individual parts, output as wav or mp3, then stack'em in some recording software (Reaper, etc.). |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:31pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] eyeroller said:The programming needed to do that is no more complicated than doing a "drum track" on a drum machine, might as well program the drums the way you want them and then have the drums overdubbed (since that's essentially what's happening anyway, playing to a click track that's going to be removed is essentially the same as playing to a drum track that's going to be removed). Besides, it's easy to get lost with simple clicks vs full-on drum tracks (however fake). I would think it would be a hell of a lot easier to get lost over a flurry of death metal drums rather then just focusing on a single cowbell hit on every downbeat. I think I am all set with spending 8 hours programming out entire songs as well. I can already picture myself with a gun in my mouth trying to figure out how to get a robot to choke a hihat or play 5s in a measure of 7/8. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:33pm - arilliusbm ""] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulse_Tracker |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:34pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] I didn't even think of FL Studio. I know they don't really deal with measures, but if I can just get it to "boop boop boop boop boop" at a certain rate, I can just do the math to figure out how many boops. ...if that's the best option, that is. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:36pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] What do all those gurglegurgle drum machine bands use to make their drummy sounds? |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:38pm - eyeroller ""] menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:I would think it would be a hell of a lot easier to get lost over a flurry of death metal drums rather then just focusing on a single cowbell hit on every downbeat. Fair enough, but again, I think a DR440 (simple-as-shit drum machine) will serve you well. Any member of Congress can figure it out, I'm sure. Bing bam boom, you're set to go w cowbells on the downbeats - You can set any measure to be however many beats you want, string em together and you're done. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:40pm - eyeroller ""] http://www.ebay.com/itm/BOSS-DR-5-DR-RHYTH...DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f18aff65f Mine is way more simple than this, boop away. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 4:42pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] Sweet. Sounds like that would work if any other software doesn't jump out at me without making me want to tear my eyes out. Thanks for the input. |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 5:05pm - josh_hates_you ""] I use Reaper for recording and this is very easy to do in the program. Simply set up the metronome for whatever tempo and count that you want. Let's say 4/4 @ 120 and you want that to go for 16 bars. Go to bar 17 and insert a tempo change marker or envelope, whatever the fuck it is. Then set you next metronome pace like 4/4 @ 180 bpm and then do the same thing after however many bars you need that to go for. This is very easy to do and free. You can most likely do it on any other audio program as well. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 5:09pm - joeyvsdavidlopan ""] ^ That. You can do it in Pro Tools (every time I try it in Logic I get frustrated and give up, but I'm sure it's possible), but Reaper is free. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 5:12pm - Edward_Twizzlerhands ""] Rhythm Rascal. http://www.rhythmrascal.com/ You can try it for free but it's like 20-25 bucks for a license to be able to export your tracks to .wav/MIDI format. Well worth the money IMO. The beats can be as complex as you need them to be but still very user friendly program. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 5:34pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] Nice. Thanks fellers. I will check out both Reaper and Rhythm Rascal. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 8:30pm - narkybark ""] guitar pro is not difficult, I would even say it's pretty darned straightforward. if you want to use it I could throw you some tippage. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 8:33pm - Burnsy ""] Yeah what josh said. Reaper is great. Evaluation version is free and doesn't get shut off at the end. Not too expensive for the full license either. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 8:36pm - Burnsy ""] Also if you get reaper, shift+c is the shortcut to insert a tempo/time signature change. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 19,2012 11:07pm - TROLL OF MISERY ""] Burnsy said:Also if you get reaper, shift+c is the shortcut to insert a tempo/dick signature change. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 20,2012 9:11am - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] narkybark said:guitar pro is not difficult, I would even say it's pretty darned straightforward. if you want to use it I could throw you some tippage. Mr. Bark: I think the last time I tried to screw with it I just tried to test it by constructing 4 bars of 4/4 at a certain tempo, then 4 bars of 6/8 at a certain tempo. I put a drum sound or something on every downbeat. Then I wanted to immediately change the sound of that "drum" to something new without manually editing 32 notes. I couldn't figure it out with 15 minutes of dicking around (and quickly googling) so I figured I either had to read a shatload of in-depth tutorials or just have somebody show me the shortcut. Jimbo said he'd show me but we never got around to it. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 28,2012 5:14pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] The sample mp3 on the Rhythm Rascal website might be the most terrible thing I've heard in a long time: http://www.rhythmrascal.com/music/funk%20example%20mixdown.mp3 |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 28,2012 5:24pm - archaeonnli ""] Guitar pro is the easiest. I still use it to make click tracks for all the shit bands I play with now and used to use it for deaf metal. Mike, you can't change all 32 notes in the way that you want to. You need to know the sounds you want before you make it the whole track. You can't just replace all sound x with sound y. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 28,2012 5:34pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] Booooooo. That's one thing I'd like to be able to do. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 28,2012 5:46pm - narkybark ""] but... why? it's a click track, not a composition. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 28,2012 7:59pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] I would like to be able to juggle between different instruments sounds for the "click". I guess this would only be an issue at first. I don't really know what's going to be able to cut through the best yet.. a woodblock sound, cowbell, beats me. I need to experiment. I suppose that I'll figure that out early on and then I wouldn't need the ability to edit the sound easily. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 28,2012 10:05pm - Fake BURNSY ""] If your dumb ass had downloaded Reaper like we suggested, you'd already know what cuts through best. Reaper's adjustable metronome. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 28,2012 10:58pm - longdeadgod ""] i use leaf drums, the free version outputs a .wav file, http://www.leafdigital.com/software/leafdrums/ pretty easy to use drag and drop interface, even good for demo drums, samples arent good enough for actual recording imo, but if you can unlock it will output midi |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 29,2012 9:06am - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] Fake%20BURNSY said:If your dumb ass had downloaded Reaper like we suggested, you'd already know what cuts through best. Reaper's adjustable metronome. I didn't download shit yet, pillowbiter. Consider this my research phase. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 29,2012 11:35pm - Fake BURNSY ""] menstrual_sweatpants_disco said: Fake%20BURNSY said:If your dumb ass had downloaded Reaper like we suggested, you'd already know what cuts through best. Reaper's adjustable metronome. I didn't download shit yet, pillowbiter. Consider this my research phase. You know what would make good research? Actually downloading it and trying it. Hands on beats asking us retards for help. Especially considering that reaper is free, does what you want, and there are videos and forum posts explaining how to do it. The whole answer is, (in Reaper) set your metronome... Route it to an audio track in Reaper's routing matrix. Insert time changes where you need them. Press "record" on your audio track. You now have a custom audio click track. And if for some reason you can't get the evil piercing Reaper click to penetrate, you can instead route to a MIDI track, and from there trigger any sound you want. Changing it will simply be a matter of selecting a different preset or sample in your VST. Sheesh. I bet REAL Burnsy even knows all that. |