OFFICIAL 2012 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION THREAD[views:16887][posts:51]_____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:19am - arilliusbm ""] Now that the "debates" are over, let's take a bet on who wins. My guess is obama will marginally win by about 7%. None of this truly matters, but it's 2012 maaaaan. Be prepared for conflicts with Iran and Israel. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:21am - Alx_Casket ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:29am - the_reverend ""] 7% isn't a marginal win at this point in the US. I've been saying Obama will win for a while. |
| _________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:30am - KEVORD ""] Constantly posts on the internet that he hates the political process. Makes a thread about question 3 and the presidential election. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:31am - Yeti ""] uncalled for. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:32am - arilliusbm ""] KEVORD said:Constantly posts on the internet that he hates the political process. Makes a thread about question 3 and the presidential election. Was waiting for this. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:33am - Alx_Casket ""] Scumbag aril returns! |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:33am - arilliusbm ""] It's already chosen who will be president. Also, Bilderbergers. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:37am - Yeti ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:39am - arilliusbm ""] Alx_Casket said:Scumbag aril returns! Insulting Wintersun fanboys and creating "political" threads for discussion = scumbaggery? I see how this works now. For that, you've lost an attendee to Barren Joke's headlining show with Uh on bass. |
| ________________________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:40am - Nerd Party Candidate ""] [img] |
| ________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:41am - yummy ""] If America was dumb enough to reelect someone that wasn't technically elected in the first place we'll relect Obama. He will get the majority of electoral votes. As far as the popular vote...roughly 29% of the country votes. About 90 million people. My guess is Obama will get 57 million, Romney will get 33 million. Now let me spin the wheel and move on to the showcase showdown. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:45am - Alx_Casket ""] Look man, we're only headlining the facebook event. And insulting fanboys is just fine, but unless you've heard a piece of music, you have no grounds for an opinion, positive or negative. Wouldn't that make you the opposite of a fanboy? Haterboy? |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:50am - arilliusbm ""] assumptions of what people have or haven't listened to= scumbaggery |
| __________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:55am - GUYnli ""] VOTE QUIMBY |
| ___________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 10:58am - posbleak ""] Alx_Casket said:Haterboy? She said see you later boy |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 11:00am - arilliusbm ""] the_reverend said:7% isn't a marginal win at this point in the US. I've been saying Obama will win for a while. It's not really, you're right. But it's still close. I don't buy into the system, though. It's clearly fudged every year. And they pre-choose candidates which will bend over for the corporations. The trivial internal issues are stillb relevant with the president, but the global agenda is planned out like a game of Risk. The president has no real ultimate say in global issues and issues with resources. The fact that they still justify troops being in Afghanistan because of 9/11 is a joke. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 11:01am - Alx_Casket ""] posbleak said: Alx_Casket said:Haterboy? She said see you later boy [img] |
| _________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 11:01am - Burnsy ""] Hahahahaha well played pos. |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 11:05am - largefreakatzero ""] http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/ |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 12:04pm - the_reverend ""] abortions for some... small american flags for others |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 23,2012 2:08pm - Dertoxianli ""] http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politi...ion/us-presidential-election/winner It's been said that Aussie betting houses have predicted most political races in the last couple decades or so. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 24,2012 2:09am - Joshtruction ""] Can we place bets? Perhaps something useful can come of this election. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 24,2012 8:58am - arilliusbm ""] HOLY SHIT its Joshtruction |
| _________________________________________ [Oct 24,2012 11:11am - my_dying_bride ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Oct 25,2012 3:42pm - ShadowSD ""] Why the election makes a huge difference even if you're a major cynic: 68.4 percent of Obama's money has come from donors giving $999 or less in the 2012 campaign. 36.2 percent of Romney's money has come from donors giving $999 or less in the 2012 campaign. http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/30/4864698/s...mall-donors-dollars-add-up-for.html Top Romney Contributors Goldman Sachs $965,140 Bank of America $844,734 Morgan Stanley $768,216 JPMorgan Chase & Co $749,918 Credit Suisse Group $588,841 Wells Fargo $524,601 Deloitte LLP $477,812 Kirkland & Ellis $470,672 Citigroup Inc $448,408 Barclays $426,800 PricewaterhouseCoopers $386,835 UBS AG $363,160 HIG Capital $362,500 Blackstone Group $354,725 Elliott Management $281,925 EMC Corp $278,450 Bain Capital $277,970 Rothman Institute $263,700 Ernst & Young $254,875 General Electric $247,270 The first financial CEO who would ever be President wants to be elected on mostly financial sector money just a few years after financial CEOs crashed the economy. It's one thing for banks and other big businesses to be on a donors list; they always donate to both Presidential candidates, like JP Morgan this year for instance, but the one-sided domination of Romney's list by Wall Street is just unprecedented. If the last few years have been about populist uprisings on the left, right, and center against big finance, the joke sure was on all of us if this guy is even being considered. Top Obama Contributors University of California $927,568 Microsoft Corp $680,769 Google Inc $661,996 Harvard University $535,405 US Government $528,603 Kaiser Permanente $426,407 Stanford University $414,266 Deloitte LLP $400,034 DLA Piper $388,877 Time Warner $362,012 Columbia University $347,092 Sidley Austin LLP $345,404 Comcast Corp $304,549 University of Chicago $289,346 IBM Corp $280,089 US Dept of State $267,179 University of Michigan $254,822 Skadden, Arps et al $250,186 Wells Fargo $246,155 JPMorgan Chase & Co $235,635 http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00000286 http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00009638 Is wealth mostly created in our society by creativity and hard work in technology and research, or just by trading back and forth existing money without actually doing anything? Which group of companies has had too much power, and certainly doesn't deserve an extra golden parachute with the Presidency attached? Seems like a no-brainer to me. |
| ______________________________ [Oct 25,2012 4:09pm - ark ""] ShadowSD said: 68.4 percent of Obama's money has come from donors giving $999 or less in the 2012 campaign. 36.2 percent of Romney's money has come from donors giving $999 or less in the 2012 campaign. http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/30/4864698/s...mall-donors-dollars-add-up-for.html in the age of the citizens united ruling, this statistic is crucial. it's very telling. it runs back to the 2010 tea party push that was believed to be "grassroots" when it was anything but. the difference in campaign donations between parties gets larger when it goes to the state level. democrats ALWAYS have more incremental donations from more people. look at the mass senate race. warren has 99% of her donations all under $100. politicians tend to pander to those who would fund their campaign. i would love to have a scott brown supporter chime in and tell me why they think this difference is so large. he has quite a "folksy" campaign when his donors are anything but. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 25,2012 4:18pm - arilliusbm ""] Most of Obamas Donations under $999 are from African Americans. Ohhhhhhhhhhh snap, but probably true. Demographics of donations? |
| ______________________________ [Oct 25,2012 4:30pm - ark ""] well they're still americans, even though they only get 1/3 of a vote. |
| _______________________________ [Oct 25,2012 4:32pm - yummy ""] That's only in Florida |
| ___________________________________________ [Oct 25,2012 5:26pm - slar you morbid? ""] yummy said:That's only in tha mornin [img] |
| _______________________________ [Oct 25,2012 5:41pm - yummy ""] I belieeeeve |
| ________________________________ [Oct 25,2012 5:54pm - Burnsy ""] Ark, the reason the difference is so large is because Scott Brown is a republican. It's nothing magical. I heard a quote a couple weeks ago that I thought was pretty apt, "When you rob from Peter to pay Paul, you can count on Paul's vote." Also Liz Warren is running in a primarily democratic state, no big secret there. The stat on donors is an important one. I think Shadow's point about populists uprisings against big finance is a bit short sighted though. The way I've seen these populist uprisings as against big BUSINESS, including of course the financial industry. Maybe I don't understand the stat, but I'm not quite comfortable with government money funding any campaign. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 26,2012 8:48am - ShadowSD ""] Burnsy said:The stat on donors is an important one. I think Shadow's point about populists uprisings against big finance is a bit short sighted though. The way I've seen these populist uprisings as against big BUSINESS, including of course the financial industry. Maybe I don't understand the stat, but I'm not quite comfortable with government money funding any campaign. No one would be. The stat is misleading - it all includes contributions from people who work at the listed organizations. No official government money can go to any campaign as a private donation, it would be illegal. I agree the uprising was against big business generally, not just the financial industry, but that was the biggest target, as its the biggest business out there - not to mention its the industry that wrecked the economy and took money out of all our pockets. Thing is though, looking at most other giant corporations like oil companies, the donations are lopsided towards Romney also. The one sole area of slant towards Obama donations from big business and its employees appears to be from the computer technology industry, most of whom want the candidate devoted to research and investment in order to further advancement in their field; besides, it's also hard to argue the populist uprising against big business was directed at all towards information tech anyway, I don't remember any Occupy Google signs. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 26,2012 8:58am - the_reverend ""] Dertoxianli said:http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner It's been said that Aussie betting houses have predicted most political races in the last couple decades or so.the same thing can be said for a frog, and a pig and polling children. |
| _________________________________ [Oct 26,2012 11:10pm - Burnsy ""] Gotcha. I dunno, dude. Not really feeling how you paint the financial industry. It's not just moving money around. It's a pretty essential industry. The banks have the capital to make loans to companies so that creativity and innovation can continue to spur growth. That having been said, I know all about the subprime mortgages, financial collapse, and i'm not downplaying their role in the most recent recessions. I just think the whole who's donating to whom isn't some shocking revelation. Seems to me like you're implying that the Republican party is against technology or something haha. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 27,2012 1:40am - MotleyGrue ""] not that it means shit on this thread but Vladimir Putin just moved up in ranks on his judo skills and got another belt. |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 27,2012 2:35am - Asparagus Pee ""] I'm gonna vote for RON PAUL!!!! I'M A RACE CAR VROOM VROOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 27,2012 9:08am - Alx_Casket ""] MotleyGrue said:not that it means shit on this thread but Vladimir Putin just moved up in ranks on his judo skills and got another belt. Oh it means quite a lot. Putin 2012. |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 27,2012 9:49am - Ancient_Master ""] “Gentlemen, I hear you. And I understand you. But this country needs to know their president, their leader…is radical. I’m going to grind all over this security summit. And I will win the respect of everyone.” [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 27,2012 8:36pm - Joshtruction ""] I lurk haha |
| __________________________________ [Oct 28,2012 6:28pm - ShadowSD ""] Burnsy said:Gotcha. I dunno, dude. Not really feeling how you paint the financial industry. It's not just moving money around. It's a pretty essential industry. The banks have the capital to make loans to companies so that creativity and innovation can continue to spur growth. That having been said, I know all about the subprime mortgages, financial collapse, and i'm not downplaying their role in the most recent recessions. I just think the whole who's donating to whom isn't some shocking revelation. Seems to me like you're implying that the Republican party is against technology or something haha. As a matter of policy, they consistently vote and argue against investment of public money in technology and research. It wasn't always that way, but that's been a steady position of the Republican party in Congress for years now. I'm definitely not saying private equity should be banned or is all bad, just that being a private equity CEO is not a resume to run for President, considering that private equity was largely involved in the creation of bad debt that crashed our economy: "KB Toys, which used to be headquartered out in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. Bain Capital took over the company with like $18 million down. They financed the other $302 million. So that’s borrowed money that subsequently became the debt of KB Toys. This is an important distinction for people to understand. When they borrowed that money to take over that company, they didn’t have to pay it back, KB had to pay it back. Once they took over the company, they induced it to do a $120 million, quote-unquote, "dividend recapitalization," which essentially means that the company had to cash in a bunch of shares and pay Bain and its investors a huge sum of money. And in order to finance that, they had to take out over $60 million in bank loans. So, essentially, you take over the company, you force them to make enormous withdrawals against their credit card, essentially, and pay the new owners of the company. And that’s essentially what they did. They took over a floundering company that was sort of in between and faced with threatening changes in the industry, and they forced them to cash out entirely and pay all their money to the new owners." - http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/30/matt_taibbi_the_secret_to_mitt In other words, private equity makes debt for already failing companies by cashing out on them, creating a situation that makes it unlikely those debts will ever be paid back to the bank. Those bad debts as well as others like bad mortgages pile up and get bought by other financial institutions, while yet other financial institutions bet whether all those bad debts will be repaid; that is in a nutshell the house of cards collapse that crashed the economy in 2008. But here's what gets me; it gets much, much worse... Romney would be the first President in history to have entered the office having personally profited as a private citizen from adding to our national debt and deficit: private equity firms make a lot of their money by taking equity financing taxed at 36.4% and putting it into the column of debt financing, which is taxed at -4%. Their profit margin in such balance sheet transactions therefore comes entirely on the back of the taxpayer: a net 40% windfall on every such transaction thanks to government subsidies (according to an analysis by the relatively conservative Business Insider's lead financial blogger, Joe Weisenthal, discussed in this video) The idea that private equity gets so much taxpayer money is way worse than any bailout: with the TARP, auto, the S and L bailout from the eighties for that matter, the idea was at least saving a major industry from collapse. However, there was no potential financial industry collapse prevented by the debt buying subsidies private equity firms profited from - only a financial industry collapse caused by all the debt purchased and swapped. Instead of saving us from massive collapse, the policy led us to massive collapse. That's an important differentiation, as it's the difference between night and day. Only the private equity industry actually was paid by taxpayers just to crash the market. So, Romney sits home and collects $20M interest a year from years of being a giant leech of taxpayer money while inflating public and private debt; getting wealthy in America in that manner wouldn't have even been possible for most of our history. That's all legal, but if he were ever to be elected President on top of that, let alone on a campaign of being a debt reducer, it would be the ultimate victory for government subsidization of corporations and increased government spending/debt. After all, if someone were to become President with such a record, what legitimate economic conservative movement would even be left in this country going forwards? It would have been bought out completely at that point by corporatist conservatives who advocate a continued state of corporate socialism for elites and individualistic capitalism for everyone else ("Can't afford to buy food or gas, consumers? Don't ask for a government handout, it's a free market! My oil company/private equity firm/drug company wants billions in taxpayer money! Give it to us or everything will collapse!") |
| __________________________________ [Oct 28,2012 6:45pm - ShadowSD ""] (Accidental double post - deleted) |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 28,2012 6:53pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Welfare is only welfare if you use it to eat; if you use it to fuel the corporate jet, it's "stimulus". |
| ________________________________ [Oct 29,2012 12:32pm - Hoser ""] Obumma has no agenda at all, a shitty record, and is relying on the feel good Libs to carry him for the win. My Official prediction: Romney win by a landslide. Romney will end up being the Reagan to Obumma's Carter era of failures. JMHO |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 29,2012 12:37pm - the_reverend ""] Hoser said:Obumma has no agenda at all, a shitty record, and is relying on the feel good Libs to carry him for the win. My Official prediction: Romney win by a landslide. Romney will end up being the Reagan to Obumma's Carter era of failures. JMHOyes yes yes, when Carter does it = failure when Bush does the same thing = success! |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 29,2012 12:39pm - the_reverend ""] Obama's victory is going to be slim and not make anyone happy. |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 29,2012 1:34pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] hsor pls |
| ________________________________________ [Oct 29,2012 1:36pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Hoser said: Romney will end up being the Reagan to Obumma's Carter era of failures. JMHO So he'll triple the deficit and lose his mind while in office? SWEET. |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 29,2012 2:35pm - the_reverend ""] Ancient_Master said:“Gentlemen, I hear you. And I understand you. But this country needs to know their president, their leader…is radical. I’m going to grind all over this security summit. And I will win the respect of everyone.” [img]that is the best thing I've ever seen. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 2,2012 2:14am - givemeedtilimdead ""] bennyhillifier |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 6,2012 12:58pm - arilliusbm ""] Fuck off nowadays reverend voting threads. |