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[QUOTE="Headbanging_Man:1336212"][QUOTE="Arrow%20NLI:1336186"]You concluded and asked the same exact question I did... what was the dumbass's motive to burn a church on Cape Cod? [/QUOTE] No I didn't, I asked how the motive of an anti-Christian churchburner in current day Cape Cod is drastically different from that of a Norwegian 20 years ago, after you implied repeatedly that Norwegian Christianity had a "stranglehold" on that society at that time and that the oppressive religious culture there made these acts more logical or meaningful. And you told people to go read up on it, and predicted I would "rape Wiki" for information. Now, I don't see anyone in this thread quoting Wikipedia but you. Nor do I see any recommended articles, news stories, or books that you think would help us expand our understanding of the religious and political climate of Norway in the 1990's. Since you are keeping your non-Wiki sources secret, I'll mention one: I recommend that anyone who is interested in the motives of the Norwegian Black Metal churchburners read Lords of Chaos, imperfect as it may be. Within you will not find any evidence of a severe cultural stranglehold by the church, nor particularly oppressive religious upbringings for ANY of the Black Metallers included. Indeed, when it comes to motive, Moynihan and Søderlind came up with so little beyond the Metal subculture, youthful rebellion, and one-ups-manship within the Helvete/DSP clique that they speculated that the burnings were a resurgence of ancient blood memories, echoing the Oskorei, Odin's mythical ride over Nordland (hey, I said it was imperfect). In short, they did not find any real religious oppression in the environment that might provoke such extreme acts. Further, despite raping Wiki for some statistics, you have not translated these into their real world significance. If you wanted to discuss the real meaning of these statistics, you might have looked a little further down the page at the time-based chart of Norwegian church attendance included on the Wikipedia page you yourself cited. Percent attending religious services at least once a month: 1982: 15.4% 1990: 12.7% 1996: 12.5% 2005: 10.8% Clearly the major drop-off in Norwegian church attendance occurred some time before 1982, I wonder if we can find out when. Oh yes, "One need not go further back than the beginning of the 1900s to find a much more religious atmosphere. At numerous times in history, Norway sent more missionaries per capita than any other country. This changed considerably from the 1960s." Much of which you quoted yourself. Now that's a monthly statistic for Norway... These 2006 Gallup results from a survey in the U.S. signify how many attend church "weekly/almost weekly", so the comparison is not direct, but it is apt. [URL='http://www.gallup.com/poll/22579/church-attendance-lowest-new-england-highest-south.aspx']Church Attendance Lowest in New England, Highest in South[/URL] [IMG]http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr060427i.gif[/IMG] We do have some apples and oranges here which I will freely admit. Norway: Had an official state religion in the 1990's (recently ended) Taxes go to support the state church Has a very high number of people identified demographically as Christian (although these large numbers stem in part from the fact that children are automatically registered as members) Most Christians in Norway belong to the Lutheran Church of Norway The U.S./Massachusetts/Cape Cod: Does not have an official religion and clear evidence of religious diversity is abundant Is generally in accordance with the 1st Amendment's prohibition of combining church with state BUT: Has a (self-described) 31% WEEKLY attendance rate at churches (assuming the Cape is consistent with the state as a whole) AND is part of a political system which includes states like Alabama, Louisiana, and South Carolina whose churchgoing rates are about 58% weekly. You COULD make a case that the official demographic statistics and use of tax money to support the Norwegian church make for a more oppressive/"stranglehold" religious climate. It would not be a very good case though. On the basis of attendance, it could be argued that Christianity is 2 and a half times as important to the residents of Massachusetts these days as it was to Norwegians 20 years ago. That argument is shallow too, but certainly more indicative of religious climate than membership numbers. Basically you need to spend some time reading about the political and religious climate in Norway at the time.[/QUOTE]
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