pay to play[views:39137][posts:113]_______________________________ [Jul 5,2011 10:20pm - Pires ""] It's not pay to play you idiots. It's work to play. SM: 0 |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 8:07am - AndrewBastard ""] this mornings response from him: Re: PanzerBastard booking August 23rd church ... From: NEMESIS Entertainment <nemesisentertainment@live.com> [Chat now] ... View Contact To: Andrew DiMatteo <dimatteoandrew@yahoo.com> I did not ask you to, that was if there was a big headliner. Why are you against them? Are you available? What do you think you would draw? Thank you, Rob NEMESIS Entertainment Sent from my iPhone |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 9:27am - largefreakatzero ""] http://nemesisentertainment.com/ Solid business model here. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 9:33am - The_Rooster ""] There's a new thing going on here in Albany that is cracking me the fuck up.... you sell tickets, etc.... BUT, the incentive to sell, is that the show's lineup is based on how many tickets each band sells. So the band that sells the most, gets the "best" spot in the lineup (i.e. headlines, or plays directly before headliner). Corrosion of Conformity is playing this month... there are 7 fucking local openers on the bill all fighting for that prime spot. Fucking gross. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 9:37am - largefreakatzero ""] Haha, I remember that tool Serge doing that at the Bombshelter. I think that was the last time we agreed to sell anything for anybody. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 9:48am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] Fucking weird, I was reading this thread and an email from this dude popped up asking us to play this show. It's a sign. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 10:13am - xmikex ""] I forgot my phone at home, otherwise I'd post the picture. But New England Concerts is booking Sevendust and "20+ BANDS" at this place in Fitchburg. One of the bands made a flyer and put it up outside that little convenient store by the Sound Museum on N Beacon. I died laughing when I saw the "BUY NO FEE TICKETS FROM US" tag at the bottom. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 10:24am - aaron_michael ""] AndrewBastard said: Joey belladonna? 50 tickets at $17, need $680 back?, Rob Nemesis Entertainment I know it's been picked apart over and over, but still, this request.. [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 10:31am - nekronaut ""] xmikex said:I forgot my phone at home, otherwise I'd post the picture. But New England Concerts is booking Sevendust and "20+ BANDS" at this place in Fitchburg. One of the bands made a flyer and put it up outside that little convenient store by the Sound Museum on N Beacon. I died laughing when I saw the "BUY NO FEE TICKETS FROM US" tag at the bottom. Pretty sure that flyer is at least a year old. Also, the store has a name, Taliban-11. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 10:37am - ShadowSD ""] The_Rooster said:There's a new thing going on here in Albany that is cracking me the fuck up.... you sell tickets, etc.... BUT, the incentive to sell, is that the show's lineup is based on how many tickets each band sells. So the band that sells the most, gets the "best" spot in the lineup (i.e. headlines, or plays directly before headliner). Corrosion of Conformity is playing this month... there are 7 fucking local openers on the bill all fighting for that prime spot. Fucking gross. The Webster Theatre in Hartford has been doing that for at least a decade, if not more. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 10:37am - xmikex ""] Mike Eleftheratos: Sevendust Historian. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 10:41am - nekronaut ""] As sad and unfortunate as it may be, I am actually in a Sevendust music video. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 10:42am - nekronaut ""] ..and in the special features of the Strangeland DVD |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 10:50am - bloblovesmusic ""] even my "band" was asked to play this show |
| __________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 10:54am - ShadowSD ""] You have a band, Wren? |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 11:01am - aaron_michael ""] Wren and the Troubled Tribbles. They rule. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 11:59am - GregD-Blessedoffal ""] No. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 12:22pm - narkybark ""] We got the email too. There were absolutely no details in it though. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 12:27pm - Arist nli ""] We got asked a few weeks ago too said how he doesn't do pay to play, then asks to give him 260 dollars |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 5:14pm - Headbanging_Man ""] Artist Support Nemesis Entertainment is excited to offer artists an array of free resources designed to help up-and-coming acts succeed. Whether you're looking for promotion tips and strategies that will give your act the highest probability of bringing out the crowd you're looking for, ideas on improving your live performance, or simply useful tools like free flyer generators, the Nemesis Artist Support sections below are worth checking out. Artist Promotion Resources, Strategies & Tips Performance Tips & Strategies Helpful Online Resources & Websites Hmmm... Let's take a look at some of these fine resources... Performance Tips There are several things you can do before, during and after a show to make the most of your performance. The better your performance, the more all of the promotion and networking work you've done before the show will pay off. Before the Show * Be prepared for your set. Make sure you have everything ready before hand. Making a checklist before the show of all the instruments and equipment that you'll need will help ensure you don't forget anything. Have a well-planned set list so that you know what you are going to perform and in what order. Also make sure you have back-ups of the essentials like guitar picks, drum sticks, etc. It's always better to be prepared than have something happen on stage that you're not ready for. When you as a band are well organized, the audience will pick up on this, and see you as professionals. * Socializing Socializing is often one of those things that many bands know they should do, but don't. It also happens to be one of the most important things for growing your fan base. Before your set, you should walk around the venue. Meet the other bands and their fans and introduce yourselves. This is a simple step, but it will help make a lasting impression that will carry over to future shows. The more you meet people and introduce yourselves, the faster your fan base will grow. * Merchandise Fans love merchandise. Any merchandise that you can distribute/sell at a show will help your band in two important ways. First, obviously, it's an opportunity to generate revenue that can be put toward the band. Second, and arguably more importantly, it's an opportunity to boost your act's visibility via both branding (e.g., t-shirts and posters with your act's name on them) and getting your music out there on CDs. It's a good idea to bring a folding table to a show if you plan on selling merchandise, just in case the venue doesn't have one available. Anything that you want to sell, such as stickers, t-shirts, posters... etc. is absolutely a good idea. But know that you don't have to spend a lot of money on your merch. Burning a bunch of CDs works just as well. That way you can sell them for a couple bucks, or even give them out for free. During Your Set * Engage the Audience Make sure to engage the audience as much as possible during your set. This will improve the general vibe of the performance by helping the audience feel like they are a part of the show. One good way to do this is to pause between songs and say a few words. You can introduce the next song, maybe say something on what it's about, or when you wrote it. Also, you can let the audience know about any other shows you have coming up, or mention the merchandise you are going to have on sale. Anything that gets the audience involved will help. Make sure to ask questions. One tried-and-true method is to offer a free t-shirt to the fan that cheers the loudest in anticipation of the next song. * Stay Energetic & Positive Show the audience that you're having fun. If you're having fun on stage, the audience will sense it and feed off your excitement. Don't be a 'downer' act that takes the whole solemn 'tortured' musician concept too far. Even if you're music is fantastic, the audience will be less likely to appreciate you personally if you don't give them a reason to like you. Of course, don't be disingenuous with your excitement either, as the audience can tell. * Avoid Common Mistakes Some common performance mistakes to avoid: 1) Failing to introduce your act when you first get on stage. Clearly mentioning your act's name and what you're about is essential to creating a lasting impression. You never want to be in a situation where someone says, "I heard this awesome band last Saturday... now if only I could remember their name." 2) Failing to wrap up your set by clearly indicating that it's over and by thanking the audience. Thanking the audience and letting them know you've finished you're set is not only the polite thing to do, but more importantly it lets them know it's time to thank you back. If you just walk off without properly wrapping up your set, it's less likely that you will be asked for an encore. 3) Turning your back to the audience during your performance, or failing to look them in the eye. Turning your back demonstrates at the very least that you're less interested in connecting with the audience, or even worse, that you might be shy. 4) Attacking or criticizing the audience or an audience member. Ok so this mistake is a bit less common, but unfortunately it does happen. Nonetheless, it's a very serious mistake that will almost certainly damage your act's reputation, so just smile and suck it up if you ever get that urge. And, importantly, if you do ever feel compelled to criticize the audience, ask yourself why. They are there to have fun, and so should you. Don't let a single rotten apple in the crowd (a booer) spoil the fun. After the Show * Stick around after your performance and connect with bands and fans. If you can, after your performance stick around for the night. Talk to as many fans as you can, and introduce yourself. Also, talk to the other bands. The best way to get yourself known in the local music scene and in the music industry is to start meeting everyone you can. You can't make a positive impression if you don't try to make an impression in the first place. Networking starts at the local level, but if you do it before and after every show, your fan base will grow rapidly. * Collect the email addresses of fans that enjoyed your set and are interested in what you're up to, but don't be pushy! When you talk to fans that enjoyed your set, you can ask them if they are interested in giving you their email addresses to stay in touch and to be informed about upcoming events. This is an excellent way to network and to grow your fan base. However, DO NOT pressure fans into giving their email addresses, as this can be a major turn off. Make sure to let them know that you will respect their privacy and will only use their email address to keep them informed. Make sure to keep that promise! |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 5:16pm - Headbanging_Man ""] Headbanging_Man said:* Be prepared for your set. Make sure you have everything ready before hand. Making a checklist before the show of all the instruments and equipment that you'll need will help ensure you don't forget anything. Have a well-planned set list so that you know what you are going to perform and in what order. Also make sure you have back-ups of the essentials like guitar picks, drum sticks, etc. It's always better to be prepared than have something happen on stage that you're not ready for. When you as a band are well organized, the audience will pick up on this, and see you as professionals. :point: Attn: HIRUDINEA |
| _____________________________ [Jul 6,2011 5:27pm - Yeti ""] if you need a guide, you have already failed. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 6:24pm - kilgore ""] http://m.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=165...990992&_ft_mf_objid=230825636940257 |
| _________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 6:35pm - Archaeon ""] classic RTTP thread in the making. Needs more controversy, someone email that guy this thread. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 7:09pm - largefreakatzero ""] Needs moar Carl Cheddarsmooth. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 6,2011 7:42pm - KEVORD ""] It will never reach Black Metal Lady Status. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 8:02pm - deathchick ""] This is the guy behind Nemesis, Rob [img] his facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/robwmetal He also contacted Abnormality to sell tickets to play shows, which we politely turned down. |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 8:04pm - largefreakatzero ""] ^Wow, just wow. I forsee this thread becoming epic. |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 6,2011 8:06pm - burger snob ""] Headbanging_Man said: 4) Attacking or criticizing the audience or an audience member. Ok so this mistake is a bit less common, but unfortunately it does happen. Nonetheless, it's a very serious mistake that will almost certainly damage your act's reputation BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| _______________________________ [Jul 6,2011 8:20pm - KEVORD ""] Is there anything douchier than using the word Metal in conjunction with your name? If there is I fail to see it. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 6,2011 8:40pm - xmikex ""] Headbanging_Man said: * Engage the Audience Make sure to engage the audience as much as possible during your set. This will improve the general vibe of the performance by helping the audience feel like they are a part of the show. One good way to do this is to pause between songs and say a few words. You can introduce the next song, maybe say something on what it's about, or when you wrote it. Also, you can let the audience know about any other shows you have coming up, or mention the merchandise you are going to have on sale. Anything that gets the audience involved will help. Make sure to ask questions. One tried-and-true method is to offer a free t-shirt to the fan that cheers the loudest in anticipation of the next song. He forgot key points like making your set drag on forever with unwitty between-song banter. Going on for fucking ever about things nobody gives a shit about. Showing zero respect for the other bands by eating up time someone else could be playing. Making sure that the guy with the hour drive home doesn't get to see a touring Japanese band that comes around never because you're bigger than the devil. UNLESS YOURE THE HEADLINING BAND SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PLAY. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 6,2011 8:47pm - xmikex ""] deathchick said:This is the guy behind Nemesis, Rob [img] his facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/robwmetal He also contacted Abnormality to sell tickets to play shows, which we politely turned down. Looks like another packed house for Nemesis Productions. |
| ______________________________ [Jul 7,2011 10:34am - Yeti ""] xmikex said: Headbanging_Man said: * Engage the Audience Make sure to engage the audience as much as possible during your set. This will improve the general vibe of the performance by helping the audience feel like they are a part of the show. One good way to do this is to pause between songs and say a few words. You can introduce the next song, maybe say something on what it's about, or when you wrote it. Also, you can let the audience know about any other shows you have coming up, or mention the merchandise you are going to have on sale. Anything that gets the audience involved will help. Make sure to ask questions. One tried-and-true method is to offer a free t-shirt to the fan that cheers the loudest in anticipation of the next song. He forgot key points like making your set drag on forever with unwitty between-song banter. Going on for fucking ever about things nobody gives a shit about. Showing zero respect for the other bands by eating up time someone else could be playing. Making sure that the guy with the hour drive home doesn't get to see a touring Japanese band that comes around never because you're bigger than the devil. UNLESS YOURE THE HEADLINING BAND SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PLAY. hahaha i am guilty of this, only i don't eat into set times. just my own. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 7,2011 10:48am - FuckIsMySignature ""] i think most people would agree that your witty banter is a welcomed part of our sets, tony. just dont do it after a 12 pack of double bags haha. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 7,2011 11:01am - Mutis ""] PAY2FAP > PAY2PLAY bennyhillifier |
| ________________________________ [Jul 7,2011 11:16am - xmikex ""] Sometimes banter is a way you deal with nerves. Sometimes you just see a microphone and feel pressured to say something. It happens to the best of us and I've def made an unwanted speech or two in my day. Some people have awesome natural stage presence and I don't mind hearing them say a few quick words in between songs. The rest of us aren't KPanzer and need to stfu and get to work. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 7,2011 11:31am - AndrewBastard ""] mike SHHH he doesnt need any encouragement... there's a PB video from the Lido show with EHG and I sweat the first 2 mins of it are him ranting...he talks longer than the song lasts. |
| ______________________________ [Jul 7,2011 11:33am - ark ""] throw salt and spit wine at people, don't say a goddamn thing. |
| ________________________________________ [Jul 7,2011 4:57pm - Headbanging_Man ""] I don't know, after all that IRL social networking before the set, and bringing your own folding table from home, it seems like a wasted opportunity to fail to run down your full merch price list in an uplifting, yet low-pressure fashion for all your new friends in the audience... You've sold your 50 tickets, it's your time to shine, champ! |
| ________________________________ [Jul 7,2011 5:15pm - Doomkid ""] That list of tips is actually pretty good, particularly the bit about stage presence. I cannot tell you how many bands (ESPECIALLY metal bands) have failed to impress me with their music because they completely lack the charisma to communicate it live. Bits about merch prep and display: totally on the ball, collecting email addresses: should just network in general, bit about the set list: I'd say just know every song you have a chance of playing and be aware of your time during the set. |
| _____________________________ [Jul 7,2011 5:20pm - Yeti ""] only winging it is real. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Jul 7,2011 6:58pm - RustyPS should be working ""] xmikex said:Sometimes banter is a way you deal with nerves. Sometimes you just see a microphone and feel pressured to say something. It happens to the best of us and I've def made an unwanted speech or two in my day. Some people have awesome natural stage presence and I don't mind hearing them say a few quick words in between songs. The rest of us aren't KPanzer and need to stfu and get to work. Mike Shea: Truth Speaker |
| ______________________________ [Jul 7,2011 7:33pm - Seth ""] Have to say this .... in Ascendancy, we just planned it all out and yet still Terence would count out loud before the song......(name of song) 1 2 3 (start of song) ..still funny to this day!! |
| __________________________________ [Jul 8,2011 3:21am - Spaldino ""] Shred Boston has a model similar to this. although you dont have to pre-sell tickets. his fool proof plan to rip you off is to have the door staff ask people , as they are coming in, who they are there to see. only the people at the door dont give a fuck and ask like 1/4 of the people coming in. you get paid based on how many people said your band when they are coming in. nothing beats bringing in like 25 people on a wednesday and getting paid 10 bucks. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 8,2011 9:43am - RichHorror ""] ATTN: MIKE We aren't cool with each other anymore. Commence text storm/rumor mill. |
| _____________________________________ [Jul 8,2011 9:48am - SLAAAAG NLI ""] talking is unneccesary - let music speak for itself. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 8,2011 9:52am - xmikex ""] ITT: Rich has no idea I was mentioned in like 3 episodes of Roseanne. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 8,2011 10:01am - RichHorror ""] The sound of my own voice is the greatest and most beautiful music I've ever heard. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 8,2011 10:12am - xmikex ""] Only when it entices local garbage pail kids to try and kick you in the nuts after making fun of Razormaze. |
| ____________________________________ [Jul 8,2011 10:13am - RichHorror ""] WHATEVER BRAH U IN NEW JERSEY |