Mortgage mess was Clinton's fault[views:4467][posts:70]__________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 11:29am - Conservationist ""] In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders. Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits. Fannie Mae officials stress that the new mortgages will be extended to all potential borrowers who can qualify for a mortgage. But they add that the move is intended in part to increase the number of minority and low income home owners who tend to have worse credit ratings than non-Hispanic whites. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...5AC0A96F958260&scp=1&sq=&st=nyt&rss Suck it, delusional libs! ;) |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 12:54pm - grizloch ""] so wait, we'd be in better shape if everyone who is losing their home because they cant afford to pay for it (because of high oil prices raising the price of... well everything) were homeless for the last decade? you lost me |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 12:58pm - orgymf@work ""] Ron Paul had been saying it (the eventual mortgage and economy problems) was Clinton and Greenspans fault for a while... Bernake was no help either |
| _________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:02pm - Sailor ""] I blame Bush, blame Bush for fucking everything! |
| ______________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:04pm - Mess ""] i saw clinton's resonse on nightline or some show. he looked guilty as fuck. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:06pm - corpus_nli ""] Mess said:i saw clinton's resonse on nightline or some show. he looked guilty as fuck. thats nothing compared to what he looked like on "The View." |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:17pm - orgymf@work ""] Sailor said:I blame Bush, blame Bush for fucking everything! i do hate the W but he wouldn't have had nearly as many bad situations to make worse if clinton had not fucked up foreign relations so badly, or put such artificial and temporary "bandages" on the economic problems he faced. |
| _________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:23pm - Sailor ""] Clinton is goin down in history as one of the best presidents the U.S has ever seen! Great economy, no war, etc. When the U.S Embassy was bombed in Beirut he didnt make a spectacle of it..he sent in a SEAL team at 4 in the morning n had them fucking destroy everything, and from there it was said n done. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:30pm - orgymf@work ""] no....clinton was a douche bag his "great economy" was due to some temporary fixes that he and greenspan KNEW would lead to our current crisis. plus, he caused all sorts of trouble with countries in middle east how did he hide it? oops...i got caught gettin head, now it "accidentally" leak into mainstream media. oops....they found out i smoked pot. he WANTED to get caught with things that he knew would freak out right wing media and the moral majority, so no one would question how badly he was fucking up behind the scenes. do some research |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:33pm - orgymf@work ""] here is a good place to start As I write this there have been about 3100 soldiers killed in Iraq fighting for and defending this country. This is from 2003 until now. I know this because we are constantly barraged with the death toll on the news every day. Can you image fighting WWII with the coverage as it is today? Our enemy killed about the same number of us in one day on our soil, but sadly that has been forgotton. Here is a list of how many US soldiers were killed when Bill Clinton was in office. We didn’t get constant death tolls the way we do now, so you probably haven’t seen these numbers before. 1993-1,245 1994-1,109 1995-1,055 1996-1,008 That is a total of 4,417 military deaths during the Clinton years. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:34pm - orgymf@work ""] p.s. that was written in feb 07 by a 4 year comparrison, clinton sacrificed 1,417 more soldiers in 4 years than bush did in iraq |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:34pm - orgymf@work ""] sorry 1,317 |
| _________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:36pm - Sailor ""] your numbers are completely off. When you come down from that PCP cloud your on we'll talk politics. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:38pm - orgymf@work ""] i don't drugs. you - being a clinton supporter - probably do my numbers we're researched. if you think i am wrong, research and prove it! |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:41pm - Conservationist ""] grizloch said:so wait, we'd be in better shape if everyone who is losing their home because they cant afford to pay for it (because of high oil prices raising the price of... well everything) were homeless for the last decade? you lost me Or if they stayed in apartments, within their means? It's not the simplistic world you think it is: people either own a home OR are homeless forever. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:44pm - Conservationist ""] orgymf@work said:no....clinton was a douche bag his "great economy" was due to some temporary fixes that he and greenspan KNEW would lead to our current crisis. plus, he caused all sorts of trouble with countries in middle east he WANTED to get caught with things that he knew would freak out right wing media and the moral majority, so no one would question how badly he was fucking up behind the scenes. Well said. His actions in Kosovo laid the seeds for current discontent, culmination in WWI-style nation-state bargaining. His inability to act decisively in the Middle East created the feeling of power that enabled many terrorist groups to act. His economic actions allowed our country to inflate the value of its currency, and that is now being corrected, with disastrous results. I know all of our favorite musicians, actors, dancers, etc. like to get all hyped up on the FUCK BUSH bandwagon, but it's unclear what he has actually done that's all that wrong. Most of the disasters we're facing now were not initiated by him or his presidency. I'm not sure liberalism is anything but a social statement and a political trend. After all, you're really standing out from the crowd when you agree with what they all agree with, sentiments shared between millionaires and impoverished homeless hippies alike. WTF |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:48pm - orgymf@work ""] Conservationist said: orgymf@work said:no....clinton was a douche bag his "great economy" was due to some temporary fixes that he and greenspan KNEW would lead to our current crisis. plus, he caused all sorts of trouble with countries in middle east he WANTED to get caught with things that he knew would freak out right wing media and the moral majority, so no one would question how badly he was fucking up behind the scenes. Well said. His actions in Kosovo laid the seeds for current discontent, culmination in WWI-style nation-state bargaining. His inability to act decisively in the Middle East created the feeling of power that enabled many terrorist groups to act. His economic actions allowed our country to inflate the value of its currency, and that is now being corrected, with disastrous results. I know all of our favorite musicians, actors, dancers, etc. like to get all hyped up on the FUCK BUSH bandwagon, but it's unclear what he has actually done that's all that wrong. Most of the disasters we're facing now were not initiated by him or his presidency. I'm not sure liberalism is anything but a social statement and a political trend. After all, you're really standing out from the crowd when you agree with what they all agree with, sentiments shared between millionaires and impoverished homeless hippies alike. WTF you definately word things better than i do, hah. but we're basically on the same page. good to know someone is. |
| _________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:50pm - Sailor ""] Clinton is the lesser of 2 evils and Bush is goin down in history as the worst president in history.....nuff said. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:55pm - orgymf@work ""] ok...even if you are correct....let's pretend for a minute that you are....the lesser of two evils doesn't always mean good. if you're in a room with a 500 pound woman with a pretty face, and an ugly titless assless skinny chick.....unless one of those two is your fetish....you're not gonna want the lesser of two evils....you want something better!! how's that for an analogy? |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:55pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] the blame game does not fix the problems at hand |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:57pm - orgymf@work ""] FuckIsMySignature said:the blame game does not fix the problems at hand now that, i can agree with sir. but i still get annoyed by clinton worship. |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 1:59pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] he is "worshipped" due to the lack turmoil during his administration. the majority of people only care about what is presently affecting them. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 2:00pm - orgymf@work ""] lack of turmoil? no lack of public knowledge that's called disinformation my friend |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 2:01pm - orgymf@work ""] oh....and the point of bringing him up is his "economic quick fixes" have much to do with what is presently affecting us |
| _________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 2:04pm - Sailor ""] I'd just shove my dork down the 500 lbs broads mouth! Case closed. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 2:05pm - orgymf@work ""] Sailor said:I'd just shove my dork down the 500 lbs broads mouth! Case closed. hahahahahahaha i like your answer. but it missed the point of my analogy you whore |
| _________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 2:15pm - Sailor ""] orgymf@work said: Sailor said:I'd just shove my dork down the 500 lbs broads mouth! Case closed. hahahahahahaha i like your answer. but it missed the point of my analogy you whore haha goodtimes! |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 2:39pm - largefreakatzero ""] grizloch said:so wait, we'd be in better shape if everyone who is losing their home because they cant afford to pay for it (because of high oil prices raising the price of... well everything) were homeless for the last decade? you lost me No, it would be better if people who could not afford homes were not given loans in the first place. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 26,2008 3:37pm - Yeti ""] oh you work at Dunkin Donuts and want a 500,000 dollar home so you can be the coolest person on the block? why not! you have decent credit from one credit card you opened and paid for 15 years ago! |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 3:47pm - Conservationist ""] I think a lot of us are on the same page... it's just hard to get a grasp on politics. There's a lot there to study and understand before one has the rudiments of an opinion. I was for many years a diehard liberal, convinced it was the right way to do things, and then I asked myself: 1. Will these methods/plans accomplish our goals? If so, why haven't they so far? 2. I believe my motivation to be honest; are others around me motivated by honesty, or ego or something else? 3. How happy are the people you know who are taking on these views? How successful? 4. If none of the above suggest a positive future, cui bono from keeping us all pursuing liberalism? My answers shocked me, so I began studying for change. I don't identify as a conservative because I think they are both impractical and not extreme enough. My political guides are Plato and Aristotle; in them I find clarity that's lacking now. Santayana is not a bad start either, nor obviously is Nietzsche. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 3:49pm - the_reverend ""] http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s106-900 |
| ________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 3:53pm - xmikex ""] orgymf@work said: Sailor said:I blame Bush, blame Bush for fucking everything! i do hate the W but he wouldn't have had nearly as many bad situations to make worse if clinton had not fucked up foreign relations so badly, or put such artificial and temporary "bandages" on the economic problems he faced. I hate talking about politics on here, or any situation. But Orgy you hit the nail on the head. People love to trash Bush (and deservedly so) and pretend that the Clinton era was some sort of utopian dream brought on by his brilliant leadership. The guy was a do-nothing president who wasn't good for anything but fighting congress on everything they tried to pass. This recent economy crisis didn't happen on it's own. It's been building up to this since before W ever even had a chance to screw things up. I had to staff this 2 day lecture series on healthcare this week. I have no idea if anyone who spoke actually made a point because every five minutes they'd stop to make a George Bush joke, or go off on a tangent about how things will be perfect again once Obama is president. All I could think was: Wow, you know you're in Massachusetts when there are 200 people in a room and none of them have an original opinion on politics. Before anyone snaps back at me I'm not in favor of either candidate, and don't plan on voting. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 4:20pm - Conservationist ""] xmikex said:I had to staff this 2 day lecture series on healthcare this week. I have no idea if anyone who spoke actually made a point because every five minutes they'd stop to make a George Bush joke, or go off on a tangent about how things will be perfect again once Obama is president. All I could think was: Wow, you know you're in Massachusetts when there are 200 people in a room and none of them have an original opinion on politics. (Insert comment about knowing you're onto something when the Confederacy of Dunces unite against you, here.) Rev: Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 5:12pm - monster_island ""] i hate all these mother fuckers in washington ... if Clintons were the cause of all this why didnt the eight years of Bush identify and attack the problem ?? ... ans: because Bush was too busy getting fat on oil and ivading iraq to give a fuck i dont claim to ANY party ... they all suck ass ... clintons and bushes ... ps Kosovo was justified unlike iraq |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 6:43pm - ctB0rderpatrol ""] Sailor said:Clinton is goin down in history as one of the best presidents the U.S has ever seen! Great economy, no war, etc. When the U.S Embassy was bombed in Beirut he didnt make a spectacle of it..he sent in a SEAL team at 4 in the morning n had them fucking destroy everything, and from there it was said n done. lets not forget the theft of land from the serbians where we propped up a bunch of muslim traffickers in. good work clinton |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 7:12pm - goatcatalyst ""] Opeth rulzzz |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 8:33pm - swamplorddvm ""] Who had 7 years to fix what was "Clinton's fault"? |
| _______________________________ [Sep 26,2008 9:13pm - yummy ""] us |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 26,2008 11:45pm - Conservationist ""] monster_island said:... if Clintons were the cause of all this why didnt the eight years of Bush identify and attack the problem ? It's hard to tell when any given bad policy is going to blow up on us, since there are thousands. We need a renewal, probably through throwing out most laws for the last 100 years. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 28,2008 2:05pm - ctB0rderpatrol ""] monster_island said:i hate all these mother fuckers in washington ... if Clintons were the cause of all this why didnt the eight years of Bush identify and attack the problem ?? ... ans: because Bush was too busy getting fat on oil and ivading iraq to give a fuck i dont claim to ANY party ... they all suck ass ... clintons and bushes ... ps Kosovo was justified unlike iraq how do you think the albanians got the majority in kosovo? ill give you a hint, it was the same action we used as a pretext to bomb serbia |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 28,2008 5:05pm - sacreligion ""] actually...if people are going to play the blame game on our failing economy, they should look back to reagan in the 80s. holy fuck that guy was absolutely insane. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 28,2008 5:06pm - sacreligion ""] but then again, i'll say it's the international bankers fault for pulling the strings, controlling interest rates, and compiling more money than any nation on the planet. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 10:53am - orgymf@work ""] monster_island said:i hate all these mother fuckers in washington ... if Clintons were the cause of all this why didnt the eight years of Bush identify and attack the problem ?? ... ans: because Bush was too busy getting fat on oil and ivading iraq to give a fuck i dont claim to ANY party ... they all suck ass ... clintons and bushes ... ps Kosovo was justified unlike iraq like i said bro, no one is denying that bush is an ass with little to no worth, we are just saying, in those eight years, you could not expect anyone (nevermind someone who is at fifth grade reading, spelling and vocabulary level like W) to clean up the ridiculous mess that Clinton left behind.....especially after 9/11 |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 11:12am - monster_island ""] contirbution/escalation to the problem is that dumby W and his republican administration sat on their hands for eight years ... we invaded iraq under false pretense |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 11:18am - orgymf@work ""] like i said dude, you're half right... if you read all the shit in this long ass thread...you'll see my point. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 11:38am - Conservationist ""] orgymf@work said: monster_island said:i hate all these mother fuckers in washington ... if Clintons were the cause of all this why didnt the eight years of Bush identify and attack the problem ?? ... ans: because Bush was too busy getting fat on oil and ivading iraq to give a fuck i dont claim to ANY party ... they all suck ass ... clintons and bushes ... ps Kosovo was justified unlike iraq like i said bro, no one is denying that bush is an ass with little to no worth, we are just saying, in those eight years, you could not expect anyone (nevermind someone who is at fifth grade reading, spelling and vocabulary level like W) to clean up the ridiculous mess that Clinton left behind.....especially after 9/11 Very true. However, W did go through Yale, didn't he? You can't do that and be completely incompetent. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 11:39am - Conservationist ""] sacreligion said:but then again, i'll say it's the international bankers fault for pulling the strings, controlling interest rates, and compiling more money than any nation on the planet. Could be polycausal, couldn't it? I'm not the world's biggest fan of capitalism. I don't mind some mercantile economics, but once usury and mass media come into the picture... $$$crisis$$$ |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 1:27pm - orgymf@work ""] Conservationist said: orgymf@work said: monster_island said:i hate all these mother fuckers in washington ... if Clintons were the cause of all this why didnt the eight years of Bush identify and attack the problem ?? ... ans: because Bush was too busy getting fat on oil and ivading iraq to give a fuck i dont claim to ANY party ... they all suck ass ... clintons and bushes ... ps Kosovo was justified unlike iraq like i said bro, no one is denying that bush is an ass with little to no worth, we are just saying, in those eight years, you could not expect anyone (nevermind someone who is at fifth grade reading, spelling and vocabulary level like W) to clean up the ridiculous mess that Clinton left behind.....especially after 9/11 Very true. However, W did go through Yale, didn't he? You can't do that and be completely incompetent. fair enough... but it does baffle me how often he butchers the english language and creates words he may have been smart enough to get through a well respected university...but either he's lost some brain cells, he lacks common sense, and/or he did so much cramming in every other course he studied, that he let basics (like communication) drift away from his brain. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 2:04pm - monnster_island ""] come on bro that is a cop out that he couldnt figure out how to address the problem ... like clinton smoking ganja but not inhaling ... lol ... where were the rest of the bush admin. / republicans all this time? ... it human nature to blame everybody else when shit fails = last eight years |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 29,2008 2:11pm - orgymf@work ""] i think you missed my point completely bro. i agree that bush was a fuckup. but he would have had fewer problems to fix had clinton not done so much sneaky bullshit. like i said earlier... Clinton "getting caught" smoking pot and cheating on hilldawg were just ways to distract the right-wing media.... he hit their sensitive spots with conflicts about drugs and family values so they wouldn't question what trouble he was causing with his artificial "economic repairs" |