HELVETE BOSTON OFFICIALLY CANCELLED[views:96162][posts:457]___________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:42pm - succubus on call ""] wow..i read just about everything.. damn is this site popular.. heh on a serious note ...racism sucks and like it or not a few bad apples set a bad example..(from posts i read about people maknig gestures and honestly, i had heard that before as well, and from the info in the 2nd letter posted) i think it's awesome that falcifer posted the letters and tried to clear everything up |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:43pm - KeithMutiny ""] full frontal mutilation? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:44pm - Hooker ""] [img] There's gonna be a cold front coming through this weekend. Worse than the last. Seems the damn Commies are blasting frigid, red air all over the northeast with a contraption known as the great colderator. Back to you, Fran. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:46pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Who the fuck are these retards to tell us what to tolerate in OUR scene? Cathach is a great guy and a great friend. I don't support his beliefs, but I support Helvete wholeheartedly and I don't think anyone who has spoken against the event has actually been. Everyone who has been has neutral feedback at the very worst, but honestly, you're just a total pussy if you get all up in arms about seeing some drunk fucks joking around by throwing Roman salutes. I think Jimmynotanonymous, anarchistmetalhead and Dave from NEFAC need a lesson in minding their own business. Since when did their ideals become something that we should all strive for? Wow, you don't tolerate racism in any form, good for you... Some of us, like the Helvete promoters and myself listen to bands on both the right and left sides of the political spectrum and bands on both the white and black side of the ethnic spectrum - this "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" attitude towards racism is extremely flawed, in two ways. First of all, there is no black and white when it comes to culpability, unless you are of a simple, unevolved mindset, such as those that caused things like the Spanish Inquisition, and yes, the Jewish Holocaust. Secondly, while I personally find racism to be incorrect on an intellectual level and some elements of racism (such as racial violence and complete prejudice) wrong on a personal moral level, I still acknowledge that there is no universal right or wrong to ANYTHING. When you moralize to us, it is strictly on the basis of your own beliefs and your own community's values, yet you cannot offer proof that this is universally wrong/immoral. There is no universal proof that anything is right or wrong, and all you can offer for "proof" is past history of people in certain scenes, aka stereotyping, guilt by association, etc. How is that any different from racism? By the way, the elements of "racism"/"racialism"/race-related thinking I don't find "wrong" on a personal level? Humor and color/race conciousness. I don't see how anyone could be offended by these. Taste in humor is subjective and as entertainment, in my eyes, totally free from moral judgement. And even the most anti-racist, PC, hippie retard is still concious of the physical differences between different ethnic groups. They will still likely refer to someone as "the black person" (or "African-American person" or whatever - I've even heard non-American blacks referred to as African-Americans, it's pathetic), when pointing out someone in a crowd, but will more likely refer to a white person's features or a clothing article. It is impossible, unless you are blind and deaf to remove all conciousness of race from the mind, and the people that try to deny/suppress this are defying their own nature. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:24pm - The Terminator ""] LOL. Half these rumor-starting infantiles dont even know what or where the swastika came from or what it means. If you guys start to worry about what every mush brain thinks, your in for many battles. Dont yap with people like this. Ignore them. Sometimes people have to be dealt with in the harshest possible manner. Sometimes people need to be corrected. Cold Northern Vengeance sings about old European ways, beliefs, and culture. Any peabrain, juvenile fool who interprets this as "racist" etc., needs to be taken to the motherland and executed. This organized Leftist group that is being spoken of that supposedly got this show cancelled, is using libel, slander, and defamation of character to achieve its goal. This is ILLEGAL. Any organized group using libel to strongarm somebody into cancelling a show is performing illegal acts and needs to be reported, and I would promptly contact a local attorney to entertain the idea of filing a claim against said group. You will have an even better case if your band is part, or all, of your personal income. At that point, the claim would come to include lose of wages, and you might be able to chalk up mental distress as well (caused by not being able to pay your bills etc.). |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:26pm - Hooker ""] yeah great the swastika started out as a symbol of peace and all that shit. we know. wear it around. see how people on the street react. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:31pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Hooker said:yeah great the swastika started out as a symbol of peace and all that shit. we know. wear it around. see how people on the street react. Why advocate not having a backbone? Yes, the smart thing to do to ensure your own survival is to not go out of your way to invite harrassment, but giving moral authority to the "people on the street" is sheer spinelessness. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:33pm - Hooker ""] Giving moral authority? I'm not giving shit to anyone. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:45pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Then why worry about offending people with a shirt or patch? |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:57pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] [img] clearly some evil and racist people. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:00pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] National Socialist KENO |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:00pm - Hooker ""] I'm not. If I believed in that shit, I'd most likely wear it. I just don't see the need to resurrect symbols and mannerisms like the swastika and the sig heil salute. It just does more harm than good. No matter what their origins may have been, they do more harm than good. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:09pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Hooker said:I'm not. If I believed in that shit, I'd most likely wear it. I just don't see the need to resurrect symbols and mannerisms like the swastika and the sig heil salute. It just does more harm than good. No matter what their origins may have been, they do more harm than good. so when i took a picture with Crisis's gtr player, who just happens to be black and was wearing a shirt that said vote Republican and had a swastika on it. are you saying he was causing harm ? also, you know, you have something in your eye. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:31pm - Hooker ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said:Hooker said:I'm not. If I believed in that shit, I'd most likely wear it. I just don't see the need to resurrect symbols and mannerisms like the swastika and the sig heil salute. It just does more harm than good. No matter what their origins may have been, they do more harm than good. so when i took a picture with Crisis's gtr player, who just happens to be black and was wearing a shirt that said vote Republican and had a swastika on it. are you saying he was causing harm ? also, you know, you have something in your eye. If the text wasn't visible, he might have. I wouldn't have been bitching about it, but some people might have. Don't get me confused with the people who flip out over this stuff. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:41pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] naw the text on the shirt was right up front and the swastika was huge on the shirt. if i had it on my computer i'd post it but it's besides the point. i just think shit like this is sstupid, like stopping kids from skateboarding or rollerblading places. if you dont give people things to do, they will find things and it's usually when they are out hurting people. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:56pm - Hooker ""] It's the same in the fact that most people react first, ask questions later, but skateboarding was never tied in with nazi germany. Kind of a stretch. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:04pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] EVERYONE BE CAREFUL THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE WATCHING!!!! Be sure to tow the pc party line and you'll be able to play in a death metal or hardcore band around Boston. No black metal bands though!!!JUST REMEMBER TO ACT THE SAME AND THINK IN THE SAME WAYS AS THE LEFT WING COMMUNISTS AND YOU'LL BE OK... REMEMBER THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE WATCHING!!!!! |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:10pm - Kronos ""] Listening to all the whining on this list,you'd think this board was some fuckin hippie forum. I don't care if the Anarchist and Communists want to back peddle on this. I'm not political, but I've had members of my family murdered in concentration camps so I have no fuckin tolerance for nazi trash. If I catch any of you fuckwits at a metal show, you can bet I will strangle you with my bare hands. If you want to have it out in the streets with pipes and chains, fuckin fine. There is no room in the metal scene for you scum. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:16pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] Who are the nazis? Where are all these nazi people at the Helvete shows? Hmmm... |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:21pm - Hooker ""] I never said there were nazis at any of them. I'm saying people thought there were because of sig heiling and shit. Do whatever you want. Cause and effect. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:58pm - bornsovile nli ""] this is gay. I was REALLY looking forward to seeing CNV next week. it's irritating to see a bunch of fucks from an totally conflicting scene who know nothing about helvete take it into their hands to sterotype and discriminate against people, largely based off of arguments and opinions developed from internet message boards. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:00pm - Hooker ""] Tis a shitty thing. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:16pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Kronos said:Listening to all the whining on this list,you'd think this board was some fuckin hippie forum. I don't care if the Anarchist and Communists want to back peddle on this. I'm not political, but I've had members of my family murdered in concentration camps so I have no fuckin tolerance for nazi trash. If I catch any of you fuckwits at a metal show, you can bet I will strangle you with my bare hands. If you want to have it out in the streets with pipes and chains, fuckin fine. There is no room in the metal scene for you scum. good idea man. It's funny, cause I thought, and I probably misread you, but I thought you were saying you were going to violently eliminate a group of people based on their beliefs. It's weird...I think I just read things funny. It just looks like that, you know? It looks like you said that you want to oust a group of people based on beliefs. I get all confused cause I thought that's what happened in those camps...they hurt people based on nothing more than what they believed. But fuck me man, I mean, I got low reading comprehension or something. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:18pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] If, I say if because Helvete has never booked a Nazi band, a Nazi band were booked to play Helvete I would gladly pay the three dollars to see them if I liked their music. I don't sympathize with Nazi beliefs at all, but I can look past the statements of such musicians and enjoy their musical output. I've made my opinion on Varg known various times on this board yet I still listen to Burzum on a regular basis. NSBM isn't typical Neo-Nazi hatecore bullshit, the lyrics aren't all variations on "Kill niggers, kill spics, kill kikes, kill gooks. I'm white, I'm white, therefore I'm better than you" In fact you'd be hard pressed to find NSBM lyrics containing racial epithets because for most bands the NS part is kept out of their music and reserved for interviews and liner notes. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:47pm - yummy ""] there's definitely some confusion.. no,no you're right. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:09am - czolgosz singer ""] Falsifier, You and I have known each for a long time. You never contacted me once. Why the fuck are spreading rumors about me? First of all, I never called your house harrassing you. I called our 'freind' who was at your house and asked to speak to your roomate about the show. This happened twice in one night, this was last week. I was asked by people in antifa to find out what was going on in Helvete night. Lots of people in boston had been talking about this night as being something that it is not. There are lots of racist comments. So naturally an anti-fascist group would look into this. No one in antifa, nor myself jumped to conclusions. I went directly to the source and asked what was going on, as I know people involved in Helvete. Yes, some people (not you) came to me, and we discussed what was up, I appreciated this visit, and passed along to antifa that Helvete is NOT a white power event, it is a black metal event. And naturally, some NSBM people and music will be there, but it is NOT an political event. I believed everyone who told me that in Helvete, and I still do. I did not ever tell O'briens to shut down this event. Nor did antifa ever put a call for any action against Helvete. A lot of people in boston have shit to say about Helvete. I actually went to the people who organze the event, heard and respected what they had to say, and passed it along to an anti-fascist group who listened and did not call for an action to shut down or disrupt Helvete. So now you point me out as some middleclass college hippie, Beacuase I went out to try to find out what was going on and stop all this shit talking and rumor mongering. Now you go out and encourage violence against me? I am probably the only person in boston who is against racism who is not a 'pussy', I went behind nobody's back, I sabatoged nothing, I asked questions to the organizers about the concerns, and when organizers came to me, I listened and discussed, and it was understood that I would do nothing against Helvete. Yes I am on tour now, and can not really defend myself on the interenet all day. But you are way off in accusing me of this shit. Also, I hate state communists too. Stalin is as pathetic as hitler. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:31am - SINOFANGELS-RAY ""] Can't we all be freinds and share a juce Box... |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:37am - JonahBloodbath ""] CNV? said:Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not. Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC. word |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:41am - JonahBloodbath ""] coldnorthernvengeance said:This is total fucking bullshit. First and foremost COLD NORTHERN VENGEANCE is NOT a political band. I am not a nazi. In fact I have nothing to do with any political organization. Second... Fuck all you PC faggots, fuck these commie motherfuckers, fuck anyone that stands in our way. Some people in Boston were sick of the pseudo metal scene and tried to create a TRUE scene in Boston but leave it to a bunch of ultra left wing faggots to ruin it for everyone. I'm gonna be sure to do plenty of research on these bastards. Bunch of snot nosed kids that need something to "piss and moan" about. If something does not fit their PC facsist mentality they do everything they can to get a show cancelled. Third... I appreciate what all the Helvete guys are doing and hope they continue. Don't let these faggots ruin Black Metal around Boston. you're a moron. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:58am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Why is antifa investigating shows in the first place? Are they some sort of government authority? Has there been some illegal activity at Helvete that the public is not aware of? Is Helvete really just a front for a drug syndicate that forces small children to cook meth in the backroom of whatever club CNV happens to be playing? No, antifa are "investigating" shows because they are hypocrites and use fascist scare tactics to shut down shows they don't agree with. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:11am - Cryptic Anthony ""] Helvete getting shut down sucks. Boston needs all the metal it can get. I really don't think that shutting down something that allows people to get together and appreciate music, an art form, is a help to diversity and multiculturalism. Somehow I get the impression (and I'm sure this is an unfair generalization in some ways) that this authoritarian "antifa" group is a bunch of sheltered meddling white people who really don't understand what multiculturalism is all about. Censorship is INTOLERANT and INTOLERANCE does not aid multiculturalism. Are there any examples of violence or strife that had something to do with a Helvete night? If there are, I'd really like to know. What are the concerns of those responsible for "investigating" Helvete? Were they afraid of violence occurring at or around Helvete or people who attend Helvete going out and committing hate crimes? I guess I just don't really understand this whole situation. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:21am - mikehuntstinks ""] I am going to book josh martin night at o'briens! that would rule nigga:skull: |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:27am - alex berkman. ""] half of you using the word "fascist" in this thread have no idea what it means. get thee to a dictionary. that, and getting the night shut down was never the goal. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:33am - alex berkman. ""] "I think Jimmynotanonymous, anarchistmetalhead and Dave from NEFAC need a lesson in minding their own business" you know, like a good german. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:35am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:36am - Sinistas ""] Falcifer said:I am simply stating I let my emotions get away from me and am trying very hard to fix what was a small but strong metal night. Hopefully you've caught this before it wrecked the chances of saving Helvete in the long term. Of course the natural instinct is to fight back, but especially in a situation like this, it will just reinforce the opposing position (regardless of who was right or wrong). Taking a step back, and looking at the situation from both angles will often help get things resolved quicker, and hopefully everybody comes out of it with a little more understanding. God damn, I sound like a guidance counselor. Somebody get me a screwdriver! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:48am - horror_tang ""] Boycott?! What a bunch of shitstains. If they really believed in what they were doing they would shed some blood for their cause. Instead they'll hound a club into having it shut down. I really hate myself and my belief system so I am officially boycotting my own band. I will now be playing all shows without being on my meds. Furthermore, I am going to shout "rock out with your cock out" between songs. Then I am going to pee standing down so that I may further understand the meaning of life. Maybe we're in luck at last. Who's to say that is not Matool? This so-called anarchist group is doing nothing more than running a blood drive that is really a pyramid scheme perpitrated by Dracula and his night slaves. I therefore will make them wait in line for tp outside my home. Then I will drench them with cologne and arm deodorant and pretend my name is Dr. Ernest P. Rockefeller, the hater of all things cheese. Eat shit?! Ha ha, you know who you are. Finally, please support your local eugenics program so that we may now filter the gene pool that has pissed in for the last several decades. I eat paste. Cows eat grass. I am the underdoug. Beware of godless, irate humanitarians drinking from the sinister pool of lost dreams of the seventh level of hell. I call this purgatory, but alas, no fudge. The return is soon to come. I thought I seen him today, at the store. Eating a taco with cream cheese. Was it Elvis or Jesus? Or a swollen cow fetus? I jumped in the ocean and swallowed a whale Handcuffed lightnin' and throwed thunder's ass in jail I walked through the graveyard like a bolt of thunder Made the tombstones jump and put the dead on the wonder I want you to jump off the Empire State Buildin' in a paper sack Look up a camel's ass and scare the hump out of his back Then jump off the Eiffel Tower and land on yo muthafuckin' head Get up and do the mashed potato and prove to me you ain't dead Catch the tail of an astro jet and get off at cloud nine Drink a bottle of Milk of Magnesia and some Red Port wine Then parachute off the clouds real fast Land on the White House yard and shit on the grass Take the President's necktie and wipe yo muthafuckin' ass |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 8:15am - Falcifer ""] Falsifier, You and I have known each for a long time. You never contacted me once. Why the fuck are spreading rumors about me? First of all, I never called your house harrassing you. I called our 'freind' who was at your house and asked to speak to your roomate about the show. This happened twice in one night, this was last week. I was asked by people in antifa to find out what was going on in Helvete night. Lots of people in boston had been talking about this night as being something that it is not. There are lots of racist comments. So naturally an anti-fascist group would look into this. No one in antifa, nor myself jumped to conclusions. I went directly to the source and asked what was going on, as I know people involved in Helvete. Yes, some people (not you) came to me, and we discussed what was up, I appreciated this visit, and passed along to antifa that Helvete is NOT a white power event, it is a black metal event. And naturally, some NSBM people and music will be there, but it is NOT an political event. I believed everyone who told me that in Helvete, and I still do. I did not ever tell O'briens to shut down this event. Nor did antifa ever put a call for any action against Helvete. A lot of people in boston have shit to say about Helvete. I actually went to the people who organze the event, heard and respected what they had to say, and passed it along to an anti-fascist group who listened and did not call for an action to shut down or disrupt Helvete. So now you point me out as some middleclass college hippie, Beacuase I went out to try to find out what was going on and stop all this shit talking and rumor mongering. Now you go out and encourage violence against me? I am probably the only person in boston who is against racism who is not a 'pussy', I went behind nobody's back, I sabatoged nothing, I asked questions to the organizers about the concerns, and when organizers came to me, I listened and discussed, and it was understood that I would do nothing against Helvete. Yes I am on tour now, and can not really defend myself on the interenet all day. But you are way off in accusing me of this shit. Also, I hate state communists too. Stalin is as pathetic as hitler. This is why this thing got out of hand in the first place. First off READ my posts even in the height of my anger I never once “incited or called for” violence against you. I stated that the people/organization responsible would pay. Don’t think I don’t mean that either. As you know there are other forms of “pay-back” other than violence or is that not the nature of your beliefs. OOOOOO guess what someone pushes me I AM GOING TO PUSH BACK! As you will also see I posted the letter written to us by antifa in response to our letter to them. I for one believe them as I believe you (I also didn’t say you called ME I said you called my house which you did). You also claim that we have known each other for a long time, well I guess not if for one second you thought that I would whole heartedly apply my focus on setting up something as insane as a monthly gathering of “white supremacists”. Regardless of what you said YOU got involved with an organization that was focused on ONE thing and not the bigger picture. Finally after a big stink was raised you found your truth. The truth the ONE of the organizers of our event has personal politics that you, your watchdog organization, and quite frankly I don’t believe in. You found out that this has NOTHING to do with HELVETE as far as I am concerned. Fine good but guess what the stink has been raised O’brien’s received EMAILS from people who jumped the gun THEY GOT CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO DIDN”T LOOK INTO IT. So as a result something I WORKED VERY HARD TO DO FOR A YEAR IS NOW RUINED! PERIOD! What do you expect when someone yells fire in a crowded area or rapist at someone who happened to be at the wrong place at he wrong time? What you and your dogs expect the CLUB TO DO! Of course they HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO CANCEL! You so concerned for your well-being? So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power”. So what if your intentions were just and noble I think I am old enough and comfortable with myself to figure things out for myself with out a watchdog group doing it for me. The damage has been done and is irreparable. Thanks a lot for looking out for me. Its good to know there is someone who has my back. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 8:56am - Joe/NotCommon ""] I just emailed Shred, complaining about this. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 9:22am - Kronos ""] <i> I thought you were saying you were going to violently eliminate a group of people based on their beliefs.</i> Yeah. Pretty much. Want some liberal? Fuck nazis. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 9:30am - RustedAngel ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 10:39am - anonymous ""] Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power". Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics? If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again. Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 10:51am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Cold Northern Vengeance is not a white power nazi band, who else played Helvete shows? Watchmaker? They aren't white power. Hirudinea? Nope. Abhorred? They aren't white power either. He made a point to say he never encouraged violence against anyone, yet you post anonymously that you can find him with an obvious threat. Get a fucking life and end your retarded witch hunt. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 10:58am - notCNV ""] Several people have pointed out the fact that we all know, the fact that: You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:00am - Falcifer ""] anonymous said:Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power". Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics? If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again. Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find. ...did you really read what I wrote. Did you absorb anything I posted. You quoted me and it looks that by your last line its "your side who seem to be inciting the violence". Thanks a lot for the direct threat. It does wonders for your stance (which I agree with there is no place for racism). The fact the you are indeed "anonymous" makes it difficult to actually find out what you know about what actually has gone down... I posted the antifa letter... it clearly states their/your side. We internally are dealing with our "problems". I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OTHER PEOPLE AND HAD NO IDEA OF THE OTHER ADVERTISING! These nights are/were loosly organised. You gave/are giving no chance for anyone to explain themselves at all... its all knee jerk. All I wanted was a place for people who like metal to come and listen and hang out. By the way that post was directed towards one person and one person only. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:00am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Are you trolling white power boards looking for people to censor? |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:06am - Falcifer ""] notCNV said:Several people have pointed out the fact that we all know, the fact that: You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums Known? Known by whom... he and others went to antifa to discuss things as people should do. They agreed to what ever was said (I was not a part of this meeting) and they backed off. But once the ball started it got too big and I don't blame the club at all for what they had to do. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:23am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] it's funny, and maybe I am naive, but these anti-white-power groups claim that the White Supremicists and Nazis are making our lives so awful, and then say "You have nazis amongst you...look at this and that". But yet the this and that never bothered me or did anything to hurt me or my friends. Then you look at these "anti-hate" groups, and many of thier consituancy have hurt my friends, colleagues, and events I enjoy/admire. I dunnow...it's weird cause the nazis haven't done shit to bother me yet but these ANTI white supremicy groups are making things really shitty and unfair for people that I have no problem with. strange how that works. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:41am - pisscup ""] wow! this is still going??... the funny thing is that I was planning to go to this show and if it did happen to turn out to be a nazifest type thing I prolly would have gotten the shit kicked out of me cuz I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut around those people. I remember a time when the internet didn't exist and we actually had to stand up for what we thought was right, in person, face to face. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:47am - Joe/NotCommon ""] it wouldn't have turned out to be a nazifest, it would have mostly been people on this board hanging out and listening to music. |