HELVETE BOSTON OFFICIALLY CANCELLED[views:96227][posts:457]__________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:58am - pisscup ""] Joe/NotCommon said:it wouldn't have turned out to be a nazifest, it would have mostly been people on this board hanging out and listening to music. that's what I figured, I'm just saying we are perfectly capable of policing our own. white cops need to stay out of black neighborhoods |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:06pm - paganmegan ""] It boggles my mind that a simple opportunity to hang out and listen to music is suddenly a fucking criminal activity with this much controversy surrounding it |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:08pm - foghladha ""] helvete has nothing to do with any left or right wing groups and is not linked to any political organizations. it was a place where people of the black metal genre could get together and hangout and listen to music and check out live bands. we are a positive and progressive night that supports new and upcoming metal bands and we have a website with many different topics and opinions, none of which list a doctrine or code of beliefs that you have to be into. everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beleifs. we are a open forum for the freedom and expression of the arts and speech. we all share one thing we love extreme metal, so people what they dont understand and fear must label and in this p.c. climate we live in today the word "nazi" and so forth is throw out by very closeminded, ignorant and weak people. no one should be telling me what i can or can do with music and how i should be and live my life. thats the reason i got involved in punk rock and heavy metal, not to deal with people who are so small minded and not any different than the people i was getting away from. this attack on our night is such a bumout that people still think this way and feel as its ok to ruin things and dictate what they think is right and wrong in the underground music scene. this sort of behaviour pushes away any people with any real intelligence and creativity and leave an empty void of hipsters, pc people and posers. i would like to see this resolved and get back to normal activity with some brutal, harsh, aggressive music and headbanging. i thank everyone who has supported us. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:11pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] metal and indie rock are the only scenes that consist of people listening to music and hanging out/having fun without some bizarre agenda behind it. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:12pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:13pm - the_reverend ""] NO SOUP FOR YOU! |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:14pm - armageddonday ""] I didn't read the whole thing but a good portion of it. WTF is Anarcho communism anyway? Doesn't make any fucking sense to me, either you're anarcho or communist. Not both. Communism is dead BTW, the only country in the world who still has a so called communist party is France and they're a bunch of jokes. Ninkaszi187, let the crusties out of this, please. ;) This has been a recuring problem between punk and metal heads for ages and it's not about to stop. Very tough at time, being yeah...a punk, totally into metal. I see their point in a way, I don't agree with it though because they're attaquing a group, not individuals. We used to go nazi bashing when I was still living in France (I was like 15 or 16), they started hanging out in town more often. In this case, it's either them or you, so better be them. Got rid of the bastards in 3 weeks. But we knew who we were targetting though...and THEY WERE NAZIS. Certainly not metal heads. We operated a bit different as well, we didn't call anybody, threaten anybody on the phone, whinning. We were just organised enough than when one of them came in town all of us got together and, well... beat the crap out of him/her/them and that's a lot to say from a crowd of total drunks, junkies, potheads, punks/crusties and homeless people. If you were really convinced Helvete was a white power thing why the fuck didn't you just get some people together and go beat the crap out of these people? To scared of the cops? The way you fucked Helvete is really really lame, and wussy. Start growing some balls if you want to get rid of nazis (which, BTW: you won't), get in the streets, and stop whinning on the phone. Helvete, if I were you I would try to keep Helvete going...if you can. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:23pm - the_reverend ""] armageddonday said:the only country in the world who still has a so called communist party is France and they're a bunch of jokes. french are socialist, not commies. you are going to make china, laos, north korea, vietnam and cuba sad... also, there are commie parties in almost every single country in the world. In some countries they actually have some power: venezula france germany russia (duh) Poland (that was a big win for them) the list goes on. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:26pm - armageddonday ""] I think France is one of the only using the name "communist" in the actual name of the political party though. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:27pm - alex berkman. ""] so ... if cold northern vengeance is claiming they aren't white power, why didn't they make any public statement about not being nsbm, the way one of the helevete djs described them in a weekly dig review? |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:29pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Read their replies in this thread you moron, they do say they are not a nazi band. Plus, I have a feeling CNV doesn't read the Weekly Dig. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:32pm - RustedAngel ""] you can be white power and not a nazi correct? what a shitstorm it is in here. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:33pm - alex berkman. ""] armadgedddddddwhateveryournamewas - so you're upset that antifa wasn't violent enough? also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:34pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Alex Berkman, you don't strike me as very intelligent. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:36pm - assuck ""] but look at all those big words he's using |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:39pm - armageddonday ""] alex berkman. said:armadgedddddddwhateveryournamewas - so you're upset that antifa wasn't violent enough? also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism. I just think that it's just lame to take care of shit like this on the phone. My point is that if you were really certain about these guys political views, you should have take other actions than whinning on the phone. "anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism." isn't UTOPIA more appropriate here? Sorry I have no hope left for mankind. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:47pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Joe/NotCommon said:metal and indie rock are the only scenes that consist of people listening to music and hanging out/having fun without some bizarre agenda behind it. nah I wouldn't say indie rock. The HP'rs / The Noise co-opted that. College rock, man like Three Doors Down or the Wallflowers. That's the shit. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:49pm - the_reverend ""] armageddonday said:I think France is one of the only using the name "communist" in the actual name of the political party though. nope, just google for communist party or communist countries. though it might be the only non-communist country with a political party in power with the word communist in the name. Most other parties in other countries changed their names. in the last polish electrion, the Polish Communist Party won BIG TIME, but they change their name to the Democratic Left Alliance. Same leaders and all, different name. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:51pm - the_reverend ""] alex berkman. said:also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism. how the fuck is that possible? except on a hippie commun or something. I thought you were talking about Mass. until the end part, but I see the light now: anarchocommunism = support lazy people, yeah! |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:54pm - armageddonday ""] Ok, yeah. I knew there was something like that going on...I really didn't mean that there was no communist in power anywhere, but the party in power in France is not communist. No matter what, anarchy and communism to me, should not be used in relation with each other. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:55pm - alex berkman. ""] actually, an a-c society would probably kick lazy people out of the community |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:56pm - anonymous ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:56pm - litacore ""] alex berkman. said:armadgedddddddwhateveryournamewas - so you're upset that antifa wasn't violent enough? also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism. go away, douche. You fuckwits have worn out your welcome. "Will there still be sugar after the revolution?"--George Orwell, 'Animal Farm' NOPE! |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:57pm - armageddonday ""] Alex berkman, I have a question for you: what's the average age of your organisation? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:00pm - paganmegan ""] All I fucking want is a monday night to listen to good metal in good company with a drink in hand and this is no longer an option due to people's stupid political agendas , which translates to me as nothing but boredom by fuckwits |
| _________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:03pm - makhno ""] hey litacore, just so you know....George Orwell was an Anarcho-Communist. Do some research. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:11pm - paganmegan ""] HAHA telling larissa to do research is like telling a smackhead to do heroin, smartypants |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:23pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] If you have hate in your heart let it out. WHITE POWER |
| _________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:23pm - makhno ""] There's no way I could've guess that litacore does research when she quotes an anarchist-communist to tell anarchist-communists to fuck off. Doesn't make sense. If she did some research about George Orwell, she'd know that he was first a member of the British Communist Party, then went to Spain to fight alongside the anarchists and council communists against the Fascists. He then saw how awful the Communist Party was, left the party, and became an anarchist-communist. There, I did your research for you! |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:24pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] CHING CHONG CHING CHANG! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM! |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:28pm - succubus ""] dammit..gone an hour and look what i miss..i'll have to catch up later on |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:29pm - RustedAngel ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:If you have hate in your heart let it out. WHITE POWER HAHAHAHAHAHA [img] CHINEASE PEOPLE, WITH YOUR CHING CHANG CHONG TALK! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOO, GO BACK TO YER CUNTRY!!! WHITE POWER! |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:32pm - litacore ""] makhno said:There's no way I could've guess that litacore does research when she quotes an anarchist-communist to tell anarchist-communists to fuck off. Doesn't make sense. If she did some research about George Orwell, she'd know that he was first a member of the British Communist Party, then went to Spain to fight alongside the anarchists and council communists against the Fascists. He then saw how awful the Communist Party was, left the party, and became an anarchist-communist. There, I did your research for you! alrighty then cock smoker, if you MUST know, I'm well aware of Orwell's political affiliations. They shaped his works, for fuck's sake. I quoted him there to emphasize that there WILL NOT be any sugar after the revolution. **There probably won't any metal, either. Just Minor Threat and R.E.M., 24-7 !!!) (Whether or not the revolution will be televised, that's up to the Somerville Public Access Channel) also, Orwell > You because he didn't fuck Helvete (he might have, but I think he busy behind a different type of keyboard than the one we're using today) oh, and douche. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:33pm - paganmegan ""] Yeah, seriously, douche. You're stinking up the whole message board |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:34pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] DID THAT GUY JUST CALL US NIGGERS? AWESOME! |
| ________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:44pm - assuck ""] CONILINGUS RICE! SOUNDS LIKE A MEXICAN DISH! WHY DONT WE SEND HER TO MEXICO SO THE MEXICANS CAN EAT HER?! WHITE POWER! |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:45pm - litacore ""] watch out, there's a few anarcho-communists watching the website today eventually we'll all start talking about heavy metal music in more detail, and they'll get bored and go about their business of saving us from ourselves (maybe) did I say douche again? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:47pm - assuck ""] litacore, please give me your opinion on the first three Venom albums, as compared to their later efforts. double spaced. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:04pm - Abbath ""] DID I MENTION THEY STINK?! |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:15pm - paganmegan ""] assuck said:litacore, please give me your opinion on the first three Venom albums, as compared to their later efforts. double spaced. Don't encourage her!! |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:31pm - the_reverend ""] man, I just grep'd my server logs.. you wouldn't believe how many places this has been emailed to... yahoo, hotmail, juno, someone's squirrel mail... |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:41pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] why do people pushing for "the revolution" always talk in a way that is as beugoise (however you spell it) as humanly possible? If you can't explain your cause in laymen's terms, then it's not for laymen. Lead a pompus intellectual revolution and only those that view themselves as pompous intellectuals will rise to it. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:44pm - Defnasty ""] There is no way shred is cancelling the Hirax show. HAHA! |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:48pm - the_reverend ""] let them eat cake. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:49pm - litacore ""] the_reverend said:man, I just grep'd my server logs.. you wouldn't believe how many places this has been emailed to... yahoo, hotmail, juno, someone's squirrel mail... we've just given the cause of arachnid-anarcho-communism-cartmaninism a whole new lease on life perhaps one of them will stumble on some brodequin as a result of this, and that can only be a good thing |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:55pm - Josh_Martin ""] Kronos said: I've had members of my family murdered in concentration camps Oh, shit I just noticed this post. Hey Kronos, HAHA, your family's soap. My band is playing the Middle East on March 28th. See ya there. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:00pm - litacore ""] [img] Mike (far right): A social conscience is like a garden shed. If you try and eat it, it'll stick in your throat. Rick (screaming, far left): POINT ONE: abolish Poverty. POINT TWO: abolish Capitalism. POINT THREE: Dexy's Midnight Runners play free, daily, in the University Library. Mike: We've already got them up in our lavatory. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:20pm - horror_tang ""] Anarchocommunism is indeed a dream. It may work fine in theory, but could never be achieved. How the hell could you ever achieve such a Candyland (I mean Utopian) version of the world? It would end up being being a plutocracy. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:26pm - litacore ""] Thomas More had a Utopian view of the world until Henry VIII lopped his head off |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:27pm - anonymous ""] anonymous said:Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power". Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics? If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again. Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find. Here's the thing faggot no one wanted to clean up their fucking image. Helvete was never for whiny cunts like you. I'm gonna host my own black metal night where every other song is Skrewdriver just to piss people like you off. I don't tell people how to fucking think or act but scum like you are the ones that tell people how to think, how to act, walk, talk, fuck, shit, piss and moan and pout when something comes along that you don't understand. Your the kind of fucking people that burned people at the stake at the Salem Witch trials when in reality most of em' were not even fucking witches. GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! CNV was never a political band... We are an Occult band and we're not going to tone it down to please a group of people that smell like sewer rats.... FUCKING DIE! |