Mark's Show Place is fucking ridiculous[views:10704][posts:92]__________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 8:21am - SteveOTB ""] We were just offered to play with God Forbid, Goatwhore, Scar Symmetry & The Human Abstract and they wanted us to be the first slot (due to our guitarist's age), they wanted us to buy 25 tickets at $15.00 up front and basically we would have roughly 2 weeks to accomplish selling 25 tickets and coming up with $375.00. Fucking place is ridiculous. If I have to sell a few tickets without having to pay up front that's fine we could do it but the fact that they want $375.00 right away when the show is 12 days away is out of control. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 8:27am - sinistas ""] We had to drop $1000 and sell 50 tickets to open for Moonspell/Katatonia/Daylight Dies. I'm pretty sure that's the only time we'll ever do a show there unless something ridiculous comes through. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 8:29am - SteveOTB ""] sinistas said:We had to drop $1000 and sell 50 tickets to open for Moonspell/Katatonia/Daylight Dies. I'm pretty sure that's the only time we'll ever do a show there unless something ridiculous comes through. Wow and I thought we had it bad, that's out of fucking control. Were you able to sell them all? |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 8:38am - FuckIsMySignature ""] just blame it on horseface...everything that is bad is hereby her fault from now till eternity. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 26,2006 8:51am - Lamp ""] I will never go to Mark's for any reason, ever. It doesn't help that it's over two hours away and I never see anything I like going through there anyway. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 9:02am - blackmetallady ""] FuckIsMySignature said:just blame it on horseface...everything that is bad is hereby her fault from now till eternity. What a jerk. I don't make my local bands pay to play at all for a national. Unless You're a hobby rocker... I don't blame Bernie. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 9:05am - FuckIsMySignature ""] I'm confused, is hobby rocker what you call your vibrating promoter wand? |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 9:06am - FuckIsMySignature ""] also i love how you finally acknowledged that you are in fact a horseface. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 9:11am - blackmetallady ""] I'm used to it now |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 9:32am - diamond_dave ""] total bullshit. if you were OFFERED the show, they shouldn't expect anything from you except to do your part in promotion. if a club wants to ask a band to sell tickets, that's their business, but to require it is lame. especially when the club is an hour away from your band's hometown. if you don't sell the tickets are they going to tell you the day of the show you can't play? what if you sell 20? do those people get refunds if they don't let you play? plus anything more than 4 bands on a show, in my opinion, is just a ploy to fill the club. no one benefits from that. the people who want to see the headliners will show up late so they don't have to sit through 17 bands, and the openers have to scramble to set up and break down just to play for 20 minutes to no one. bullshit. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 9:36am - sinistas ""] SteveOTB said: Wow and I thought we had it bad, that's out of fucking control. Were you able to sell them all? We sold all but 2 I think, so a loss of $40 overall. It was worth it just to see Ken geek out when he met Jonas from Katatonia though. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 9:52am - horror_tang ""] Don't do it. You could not put a headliner in front of me that I would sell tickets to play with, ever. If a club or promoter is asking you to sell tickets they are basically saying they do not have the faith in you to bring people in the door. It is their job to being the people in by promoting and putting good bands on the bill. Only shithead promoters and clubs will give you the line of "well, if you can't sell # tickets then maybe you're not that good." It is a cop out and they need to do their job better. If a promoter needs bands to sell tickets then they are lazy and need to get out their and, gasp, promote. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 10:21am - archaeon ""] The Mark's Showplace myspace posted a bulletin that said "Do you want to play December 30th, send a message to NE concerts!" Mortalis sent them a message and of course they haven't gotten back to us, still that the dumbest bulletin Ive ever seen |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 10:24am - archaeon ""] [img] |
| _______________________________ [Dec 26,2006 10:24am - Yeti ""] we were offered the same bullshit for the same show, but we had to sell 75. fuck that. |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 10:27am - FuckIsMySignature ""] welcome to the music business. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 11:41am - fishcakes ""] as much as we want to play this place, we will never sell tickets. ever!:whipper: |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 12:01pm - pam nli ""] Marks and pay to play is gay. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:33pm - blackmetallady ""] pam nli said:Marks and pay to play is gay. It's not gay if an unknown band wants exsposure in front of a lot of people that they normally would not be in front of. Besides, the bands can make their money back by selling the tickets. It's not rocket science, people. It's also an opportunity to sell merch. |
| _____________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:34pm - pam ""] No it IS gay...always. Go away whore. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:36pm - blackmetallady ""] your opinion |
| _____________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:38pm - pam ""] That's YOUR, stupid. And it's everyone else here's opinion as well. Fuck off. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:39pm - blackmetallady ""] Mark's doesn't have a problem getting bands to pay to play. The ones that are confident enough to know that they can sell the tickets pre-bought |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:43pm - theaccurseddrummer ""] blackmetallady said:pam nli said:Marks and pay to play is gay. It's not gay if an unknown band wants exsposure in front of a lot of people that they normally would not be in front of. Besides, the bands can make their money back by selling the tickets. It's not rocket science, people. It's also an opportunity to sell merch. You can't be serious? That's a cop out, and there's no way to possibly intelligently defend a stance like that. You can't tell me that asking a band to pay the promoter or club to play a show isn't lax promotion and piss-poor show management. Especially if that band is going to have to travel to play, haul in their own gear, etc. Don't talk about selling tickets, how is a band from MA or RI for example going to sell tickets to a show in Maine when anyone who would buy said tickets could just as easily drive 20 minutes to see the same band locally for less money? The icing on that cake is bands that suck it up and do that footwork get paid less, if at all. Pay to play is gay, no matter what the circumstance. Football teams don't sell tickets to play in their own game, the crowd pays, buys drinks, buys merch. You should be paying bands to play, not asking for a handout to help pay the headliner and doing your promotion. I've booked big enough shows with decent drawing bands and never pulled that shit. It's not about "can you sell X# tickets," but "can you come to our show and play your music for the people who like this style." The club should sell its own tickets, promote its own shows and make money at the door and selling drinks/food/etc., and then the bands should get paid. A band should never be forced to pony up cash for tickets and then hope to make enough in ticket sales to break even. That's nonsense. |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:46pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] The more people support pay to play venues by attending their shows, the more this will continue. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:50pm - blackmetallady ""] Excuse me sir. I don't ask bands to pay to play. I never have. I have a select few locals that I work with that draw well and I pay them. I just don't hold anything against promoters who require pay to play. Sometimes I give a new band a shot. I asked RAOV to open for Goatwhore last month and they didn't sell any tickets, but I didn't care, because they pleased an unknown crowd in a market they have never played before. You're screaming at the wrong promoter, sweetie. |
| _____________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:50pm - pam ""] I try to avoid them whenever possible. |
| _____________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:51pm - pam ""] blackmetallady said:Excuse me sir. I don't ask bands to pay to play. I never have. I have a select few locals that I work with that draw well and I pay them. I just don't hold anything against promoters who require pay to play. Sometimes I give a new band a shot. I asked RAOV to open for Goatwhore last month and they didn't sell any tickets, but I didn't care, because they pleased an unknown crowd in a market they have never played before. You're screaming at the wrong promoter, sweetie. Sweetie? Don't fucking patronize my brother, cunt. |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:53pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] blackmetallady said:Excuse me sir. I don't ask bands to pay to play. I never have. I have a select few locals that I work with that draw well and I pay them. I just don't hold anything against promoters who require pay to play. Sometimes I give a new band a shot. I asked RAOV to open for Goatwhore last month and they didn't sell any tickets, but I didn't care, because they pleased an unknown crowd in a market they have never played before. You're screaming at the wrong promoter, sweetie. Not sure who you were referring to here since you didn't include a quote, but I was talking about Mark's Showplace. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:58pm - hungtableed ""] pay to play = gay anyone who promotes it should be neutered |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 2:58pm - blackmetallady ""] theaccurseddrummer said:blackmetallady said:pam nli said:Marks and pay to play is gay. It's not gay if an unknown band wants exsposure in front of a lot of people that they normally would not be in front of. Besides, the bands can make their money back by selling the tickets. It's not rocket science, people. It's also an opportunity to sell merch. Don't talk about selling tickets, how is a band from MA or RI for example going to sell tickets to a show in Maine when anyone who would buy said tickets could just as easily drive 20 minutes to see the same band locally for less money? This is what I was talking about. I choose bands from all over New England to open for a national here in Maine, without requiring them to sell tickets. How could they if nobody knows them? Why do I do this? Because I actually want to help the Maine Metal Scene by bringing more talent into Maine. I'm helping bands and giving the Mainers a really good top notch show. It's a win-win. You all have me all wrong. pitty. |
| _____________________________ [Dec 26,2006 3:01pm - pam ""] That's P-I-T-Y. God, I hate you. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 3:04pm - blackmetallady ""] I have 4 opening acts for a big national. 3 locals that draw well and one unknown from a different state to bring diversity to the Maine Metal Scene. I don't know anyone else that does this. I'm a nice, kind person and I'm picked on. I'm not the ememy. |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 3:06pm - theaccurseddrummer ""] blackmetallady said:Excuse me sir. I don't ask bands to pay to play. I never have. I have a select few locals that I work with that draw well and I pay them. I just don't hold anything against promoters who require pay to play. Sometimes I give a new band a shot. I asked RAOV to open for Goatwhore last month and they didn't sell any tickets, but I didn't care, because they pleased an unknown crowd in a market they have never played before. You're screaming at the wrong promoter, sweetie. To dispel your assumption about my argument here, my point was regarding pay to play in general, not aimed at anyone in particular. I never claimed that you did or didn't do anything, it was about the concept of paying to play, which you defended. If you don't personally practice it, then you probably realize that it's a practice that takes advantage of young bands, and that the promoters who regularly utilize that tactic are passing the buck on paying the headliner and promoting the show to a band that should be getting paid to play, not the other way around. Therefore it astounds me that you wouldn't take a specific stance against it, since bands and even fans see that shit is "the promoter's fault." It makes all show promoters look bad. I never said you did it, but I'm not going to sit around and let anyone defend it because it sucks. If you promote, you know what your local crowd likes and book accordingly, not book random bands and force them to do your job. Talking about a particular market is laughable in this scene, it's virtually impossible to pin down something like that in metal, you don't know what's hot today and gay as shit tomorrow, bands who draw great in one town draw like shit in another two miles down the road, and that's no fault of theirs. Incidentally, I'm hardly screaming. I do that in all caps, as it should be. Oh, and after the things you've said about my sister, whether provoked or not, I would appreciate if you not call me cute little pet nicknames. blackmetallady said:sweetie You don't even know me. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 3:15pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] you are the ememy |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 3:19pm - blackmetallady ""] My practices are different as you read above. I take chances on bands. Like I wrote... I choose 3 locals that draw well and give one new band a chance at every show. However, I won't hold anything against a promoter who does not practice my ways. This is what makes me special, yet I get ragged on. Listen, this is a business and not everyone is like me. I'm willing to lose money on an unknown band, but good karma comes back to me. Look at RAOV for example. they didn't sell any tickets when they opened for Goatwhore, which means they didn't make me any money. However, the crowd LOVED them and made people happy. Therefore, the next time RAOV is invited back on one of my bills.... they will sell tickets because know they have new fans. Get it? I think some asshole bands on RTTP who has put me down owes me an apology. I'm done explaining myself. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 3:20pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] you are never done explaining yourself. |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 3:29pm - theaccurseddrummer ""] There are two sides to this issue, you're either for or against pay-to-play practices by promoters. The answer is the same no matter what you practice with your own business, there's no middle of the road, and if you're sitting on a site populated mostly by members of local bands I'd say it's an important stance that you pick a side for. You can talk about what you do, how generous you are to bands or whatever, but if you condone that practice, you might as well be doing it yourself. Also, the term "hobby rocker" that you so affectionately toss around is offensive to musicians. Anyone doing this takes a loss financially and sacrifices time for it because it's in their heart, so stop making a mockery of it. It's not appreciated, and surely no way to make friends. |
| _____________________________ [Dec 26,2006 3:31pm - pam ""] No one owes you shit you fucking idiot. We told you to fuck off months ago. If you stay, you deserve exactly what you get. You're fucking self-importance is overwhelmingly disgusting. We "owe you"...fuck you! |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 3:38pm - luke not logged in ""] I didn't read this whole thread, so I apologize if someone said this already, but I need to chime in....Pay to play is the lamest bullshit ever and really shows how scummy and full of shit promoters can be. And, if you are in a band and are willing to pay to play, just give up...you're worse than a cover band. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 4:50pm - sinistas ""] blackmetallady said:I think some asshole bands on RTTP who has put me down owes me an apology. I'm done explaining myself. You owe grammar, common sense, and oxygen an apology, dicknose. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 5:03pm - archaeon ""] this thread sucks |
| ________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 5:13pm - Kevord ""] archaeon said:The Mark's Showplace myspace posted a bulletin that said "Do you want to play December 30th, send a message to NE concerts!" Mortalis sent them a message and of course they haven't gotten back to us, still that the dumbest bulletin Ive ever seen Do you think the fact that your 16 might be the reason a 18+ strip club hasn't got back to you? |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 5:29pm - diamond_dave ""] blackmetallady said:Look at RAOV for example. they didn't sell any tickets when they opened for Goatwhore, which means they didn't make me any money. However, the crowd LOVED them and made people happy. Therefore, the next time RAOV is invited back on one of my bills.... they will sell tickets because know they have new fans. Get it? so you "gave them a chance" and because they did well, next time you will force them to sell tickets. did i get it? |
| __________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 5:37pm - archaeon ""] Kevord said:archaeon said:The Mark's Showplace myspace posted a bulletin that said "Do you want to play December 30th, send a message to NE concerts!" Mortalis sent them a message and of course they haven't gotten back to us, still that the dumbest bulletin Ive ever seen Do you think the fact that your 16 might be the reason a 18+ strip club hasn't got back to you? They don't know my age/ im the youngest in the band anyways, and it would be pretty assholish not to respond at all. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 7:49pm - hey Diamond Dave ""] i think she was saying that she provided a crowd for RAOV to play infront of (for Free). so RAOV's fanbase get's bigger, she also encourage's hard work. if you sell tickets for her you get a commission. -from one of the bands she works with- |
| __________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 7:56pm - archaeon ""] haha what band would that be? |
| _____________________________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 8:01pm - Pay To Play Can WORK FOR U ""] if you are a "New Band" who's been rehursing and who dosn't have a audience you can pay to be infront of a HUGE crowd. In-turn that will get you new fans who will... a) buy your shit b) most likely like your music c) support you if you play your cards right you can go from 0 fans to oh 150 or more! this is how KISS did it ... this is how METALLICA did it and counless others. That's how Ozzfest does it! there is a reason for this! also when you usually pay to be on a show your band get's print, radio, and tv ads ... you dont have to pay the expense for getting publicity for your band... -a band who has played on MMSP show's- |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 8:23pm - Pay To Play ""] i forgot the major point... it free's you up so you can just "practice"... |
| __________________________________ [Dec 26,2006 8:27pm - archaeon ""] But Metallica and Kiss both suck now so those are shitty examples |