(think of your favorite grind bands...)[views:12460][posts:75]_________________________________________________ [Jun 12,2007 9:29pm - cephalic mortal combat ""] name 5 essential traits that put together a GREAT grind band? here's my list: 1. RANDOMNESS 2. Change tempos often 3. Crushing speed 4. Technical bass player which you can actually HEAR 5. Aren't afraid to mix in groovy rhythms (my favorite grind bands: Cephalic Carnage, Impetigo, Soilent Green, Animal Fucking Rampage, Leech Eater, Rotten Sound, Neuraxis, Circle of Dead Children, Pig Destroyer, Cliteater, ...fuck i'm dead, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Lord Gore, Brutal Truth, Carcass, Tower of Rome, Nasum, Cryptopsy) |
| __________________________________ [Jun 12,2007 9:32pm - Archaeon ""] i wasn't aware neuraxis was grind... and some of the bands you named don't even have bass players. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 12,2007 9:38pm - Lamp ""] Top 5 qualities in a good grind band 1-5. Not sounding overly metal Metal grind <<<<<<<<< punk grind Top 5 grind bands: 1. Magrudergrind 2. Cripple Bastards 3. Phobia 4. Bathtub Shitter 5. Blood Duster Other honorable mentions: Sanity's Dawn, Yacopsae, Fubar, Rompeprop, Cliteater, Throwing Shrapnel, Insect Warfare, Plutocracy, Repulsion, Insult(from Holland), Benumb, Birdflesh, Jigsore Terror, Machetazo, Pretty Little Flower, 50/50, Discordance Axis, Fetus Eaters, Sayyadina, Suffering Bastard, Swallowing Shit, Terrorizer Two bands I don't consider full blown grindcore but are definitely awesome and worth mentioning are Despise You(lumped into powerviolence but has obvious metal influence) and Green Beret(has keyboards, but it's no scenester shit!) |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 12,2007 9:53pm - Kinslayer ""] Terrorizor Assuck Repulsion Carcass EmBryOnIk KrIpToPaThiA |
| ________________________________ [Jun 12,2007 11:41pm - TROLL ""] Comecon Agathocles Phobia Assück Napalm Death |
| _________________________________ [Jun 12,2007 11:45pm - Ryan_M ""] I've lost interest in most grindcore, I guess mostly because I don't hear too many bands who can execute it effectively, and end up just coming off as annoying rather than full of chaotic hatred and rage. I do enjoy some of the genre's pioneers though (Terrorizer, 80's-early 90's era Napalm Death, Repulsion, Assuck, etc...) Some qualities I like in a grind band: 1. Being noisy, but keeping a tight playing unit as well; staying on beat, starting/stopping on time, etc... 2. Simplicity. Don't get all experimental and funky on me. Grindcore should be loud, short, fast and to-the-point. You want to show off how technical you can play? Start a prog metal band. 3. Don't overuse blastbeats. Blasting is pretty much a staple of grind, but I find that a regular fast thrash beat is much more effective and less annoying than blasting. I know that's only 3 but I can't think of any more. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 12,2007 11:57pm - Lamp ""] Ryan_M said:2. Simplicity. Don't get all experimental and funky on me. Grindcore should be loud, short, fast and to-the-point. You want to show off how technical you can play? Start a prog metal band. Exactly. I've always thought grind was lowbrow music and some of the stuff people are calling grind(Cephalic Carnage a grind band? Come on now...) pisses me off. I prefer short songs too. 30 second-1 minute range is ideal, but it's cool to go shorter or longer once in a while. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 12:11am - ConquerTheBaphomet ""] Since when are Cryptopsy and Neuraxis grind bands? Circle of Dead Children Phobia Throwing Shrapnel Quest of Aidance Regurgitate Uphill Battle Vulgar Pigeons Vomitorial Corpulence Some good ole grind stuff. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 12:19am - Lamp ""] I wouldn't really consider CoDC a grind band either, too metal. Not bad though... I also wouldn't really consider ANb or FID grind bands either because of the drum machines(not to mention they sound extremely metal anyway). When you lean too far into punk you stop being grind, I think it works the same way with metal. Playing blast beats does not make you a grind band. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 12:20am - ConquerTheBaphomet ""] CoDC does have a lot of death metal influence but I would consider them a grind band before a death metal band. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:08am - Dwellingsickness ""] I guess people have different ideas on what grind is, because I wouldn't consider half the bands listed GRIND. Some are Grind, some are Grindcore, Some are Goregrind. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 7:40am - the_reverend ""] people mention blasts, but one essential part of a grindcore band (re: napalm death, shitstorm, magrudergrind) is punk drumming. grindcore is an off-shoot of punk/hardcore so they mix in almost 2-step drumming. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 8:24am - xmikex ""] Name 5 Essential Traits that go into a crappy thread: 1. Some 14 year old kid starting it 2. A big list of bands that don't make any sense 3. No N00dz 4. Debate #799321 about what grindcore really is 5. Kid who starts it never replies back (...until next week when teacher allows him to use computer lab again) |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 8:30am - the_reverend ""] 5) wrong!! he won't be able to find this thread again and will create another one... probably about inspector gadget. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 8:35am - the_reverend ""] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grindcore EOS |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 9:44am - FuckIsMySignature ""] The Midget Who Stole God's Map of the Universe Human Bone Bicycle Science Industries Pig Destroyer Cephalic Carnage |
| ______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 9:49am - Lamp ""] Dwellingsickness said:Some are Grind, some are Grindcore, Some are Goregrind. I want to know where the hell people got the idea that "grind" and "grindcore" are two different things. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 10:46am - MarkFuckingRichards ""] first off, i thought a few of the same things as xmikex when reading the original post, haha. secondly, i want the same answer as lamp does to how grind and grindcore are different. it's always been apparent to me that people just say grind because they're too lazy to say grindcore, or just figured everyone would know what they're talking about. bands like CODC and cephalic carnage have been labelled grind for years probably because bands of that nature are easily lumped into the grind category than anything else. CODC i would consider deathgrind, whether you want to call it a genre or not. there are so many different ways to make music these days that some bands just label themselves as grind so they either don't have to come up with something retarded like "hyperblasting slammified gore groovegrind" or don't have to really think about what it is that they're playing. cephalic carnage falls more into the experimental category for me these days, especially with the last few releases. this could go on forever, but i have to get my oil changed. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 10:48am - Josh_Martin ""] Lamp said:Dwellingsickness said:Some are Grind, some are Grindcore, Some are Goregrind. I want to know where the hell people got the idea that "grind" and "grindcore" are two different things. I blame the internet. People read shit and just assume the writer has any clue at all of what he's talking about. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 10:59am - the_reverend ""] "it's on the internet, so it must be true" mantra |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 11:16am - BOBDEAD ""] SUFFERING BASTARD [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 11:19am - RichHorror ""] It Will End In Pure Horror is the only good band I've ever heard in my life. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:22pm - Dwellingsickness ""] Lamp said:Dwellingsickness said:Some are Grind, some are Grindcore, Some are Goregrind. I want to know where the hell people got the idea that "grind" and "grindcore" are two different things. So are "metal" and "metalcore" the same then? |
| ______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:24pm - Yeti ""] they might as well be, the line is so blurred now. "metal" needs a new word because the word "metal" is horribly obnoxious. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:32pm - Lamp ""] What you guys think is metalcore sure isn't fucking metalcore to me, I'll tell you that much. Metalcore to me basically means metallic hardcore, hardcore being punk of course. So when I think of "metalcore" I think of Converge, Rorschach, Deadguy, Integrity, blah blah. Clearly distinguishable from metal. A lot of the stuff that gets called metalcore(As I Lay Dying, Killswitch, Lamb of God, etc) is all just pop emo college-rock metal to me and shouldn't be taken seriously or given a second thought. Saying that grind and grindcore are two different terms is fucking retarded. Taking the core out of grindcore is basically taking all the punk influence out of it, where it basically becomes metal. Goregrind/pornogrind/cybergrind/deathgrind, whatever it may be...it's all really just metal in the end and most of it has very little to do with grindcore if you ask me, and I think the suffix "grind" should be left out of it altogether(ie, just calling it gore metal, porno metal, cyber metal[drum machine shit], death metal). Core to me is a punk suffix, always has been, always will be, and to see so many jock metal fucks and other assholes stealing it and putting it on their own third-rate bands makes me sick. As a disclaimer, I'll note that I'm writing this from the perspective of a punk kid, not a metalhead, so I'm sure on this forum full of metalheads, my views will be the minority. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:34pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] genres are fucking gay. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:35pm - Yeti ""] adding "core" means adding "sucks". |
| ______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:37pm - Lamp ""] Yeti said:they might as well be, the line is so blurred now. "metal" needs a new word because the word "metal" is horribly obnoxious. You know, I never thought of this before, but you're probably right. There's "alternative rock" for the watered down shit of today...why not "alternative metal"... |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:41pm - Dwellingsickness ""] FuckIsMySignature said:genres are fucking gay. +1000000 |
| ______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:44pm - Lamp ""] You guys like music and don't find it interesting to discuss genres? Weird... |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:47pm - Dwellingsickness ""] No because all it does is start flame wars with dipshits who think they know all. everyone thinks everyone else's opinion is wrong. So what is the point really? |
| _____________________________ [Jun 13,2007 3:50pm - ZJD ""] Dwellingsickness said:No because all it does is start flame wars with dipshits who think they know all. everyone thinks everyone else's opinion is wrong. So what is the point really? The point is to be right. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:05pm - Lamp ""] Does this look like a flame war to you? The trick is to find the right people to discuss it with, it works the same with ANY topic. |
| _____________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:06pm - ZJD ""] My favorite grind band is Def Leppard. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:08pm - Dwellingsickness ""] Lamp said:Does this look like a flame war to you? well technically you are arguing with me over something stupid. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:09pm - Lamp ""] If you think it's stupid good for you, but I think this is an interesting discussion, so be civil or stop whining, pussy. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:11pm - ConquerTheBaphomet ""] Music discussions are never civil conversations. You should know this, Lamp. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:14pm - Lamp ""] I thought I was being pretty civil and I thought everyone else was too, I'm not sure how exactly this is a flame war or how it even looked like it was going to become one unless some person came into the thread who hadn't posted yet and called us all stupid. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:16pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i dont need no civil war |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:17pm - Dwellingsickness ""] I don't think the discussion is stupid. But if by "right people" you mean people who agree with your opinion,then yes. I happen to have a different opinion though.see i can be civil:2FINGERS: :BOUNCE: |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:31pm - Mike Giallo NLI ""] Grindcore is a punk genre. The. End. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:32pm - Mike Giallo NLI ""] Even bands like Terrorizer and Repulsion sounded more Hardcore than Metal. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 13,2007 4:42pm - Dwellingsickness ""] I am listening to the new foetopsy at the moment. grindcore,goregrind,deathgrind....whatever.....It kills! |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 17,2007 10:12pm - enemybasslegion2 ""] phobia, rotten sound, cephalic carnage, soilent green, nasum |
| _______________________________ [Jun 17,2007 10:34pm - Lamp ""] How are Cephalic Carnage or Soilent Green grindcore bands? |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 17,2007 10:37pm - tomxnli ""] cryptopsy = grind? this thread sucks. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:00pm - orgymf@work ""] grind=punk riffs, punk drumming, blastbeats, screaming, yelling and/or growling, maybe a little feedback sorry, heavy bass has nothing to do with grind.... in grind bass is usually 1.in the background, barely able to be heard 2.there to keep time with the drummer 3.heavily distorted 4.only heard during guitar breaks 5.non-existant 6.2 or more of the above |
| _____________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:10pm - Blue ""] Lamp said:How are Cephalic Carnage or Soilent Green grindcore bands? pretty much since their inception, cephalic has termed themselves 'hydro grind.'' and soilent green is a grind band with southern metal parts. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:10pm - Lamp ""] I feel tempted to make a rebuttal about bass/drum bands but the only thing I can really think of worth a shit in that category is No Comply's half of their split with Christmess and that's not very grindy anyway. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:10pm - Lamp ""] Blue said:'hydro grind.'' I have never heard this term before, interesting... |
| _________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:13pm - niflheim ""] Soilent Green do slide riffs once in a while but not enough to label them a grind band. They can get pretty technical with their time changes. Grind is defintiely rooted in punk, just sped up and more pissed off. I forget which member of Soilent Green was in Mule Skinner, but their album "Abuse" is violent grind/death |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:14pm - Fuck_Logging_In_NLI ""] Since when is Leech eater is on the same level as Rotten Sound? this thread sucks. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:16pm - Blue ""] niflheim said:Soilent Green do slide riffs once in a while but not enough to label them a grind band. since when do 'slide riffs' make a grind band? this just in: the allman brothers created grindcore. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:22pm - niflheim ""] Uh, I'm not talking about sliding in that sense haha. But the simplistic riffing style of punk, only sped up. Power chords just going from one part of the fretboard to the next. I'm not a guitarist so I'm not going to claim that I can better describe this, but take your typical punk riff, speed it up, and thats a grind riff. So your definition of a grind riff would be what? |
| _________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:23pm - niflheim ""] Soilent Green definitely have grind parts but theyre not grind purists. Their music contain elements of death metal, southern metal, as well. Thus making them more of a hybrid style not soley "grindcore" |
| _____________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:28pm - Lamp ""] I've never heard the term "slide riff" either and I've been playing guitar for six years, you're going to have to explain where you pulled that one from. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:30pm - cav nli ""] not one band mentioned on this whole thread is "real" grind, discuss.... |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:31pm - Mike_Giallo ""] I thought a "slide riff" involves sliding. We call those football riffs. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:34pm - niflheim ""] Just because you never heard the term doesn't mean it hasn't been applied to describe it before. It's like when most people say they dont know what a skank beat is, so its called either a "down beat" or "thrash beat" (kick - snare - kick - snare). It's simple to grasp... Once again, have you heard punk before? They just take their hands, go back and forth on the fretboard rapidly. Go really fast and it almost creates a blur. Like the hand is sliding up and down the freboard. Ever heard Napalm Death's From Enslavement To Obliteration? It's the definitive grindcore album. What are those riffs except punk riffs on speed? I'm not saying "slide riffing" is the technical term for whatever it would be, just a way of describing it, the way it looks when played. |
| _____________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:43pm - Lamp ""] I know what you're talking about now, I just didn't know it had a specific term. I was basically just asking where you heard it. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 4:47pm - niflheim ""] A friend of mine who is a grind connoseuir introduced me to that term about 11 years ago. It's not the specific term; you could probably come up with other terms to describe the style. That one just happened to stick. Not being a guitarist, I couldn't really describe it any other way. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 5:27pm - metal cvlt ""] GRIND SUCKS. TRUE METAL FOR LIFE. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 6:27pm - swamplorddvm ""] Grrrraaand beauty, Power, agression. Simple but not plain. able to spark one's imagination. Summoning Dissection (old) John Williams Kalmah (old) Death Children of Bodom (Hatebreeder) Melechesh Blindguardian gregorian chants Hateforest (not one of my top favorites but I feel they should be on the list) Krohm |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 4,2008 6:32pm - swamplorddvm ""] Yeah the're not grind. I know. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:08am - Kevin from Leech Eater ""] Fuck_Logging_In_NLI said:Since when is Leech eater is (sic) on the same level as Rotten Sound? this thread sucks. Agreed. Rotten Sound does kind of suck. Otherwise, I agree with everything Giallo said. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:43am - sxealex ""] assuck rotten sound phobia errr im too tired to think |
| _______________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:43am - phobia ""] i hate phobia |
| __________________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:44am - delmuerte ""] Hey, have any of you dickheads ever heard any grind? it's pretty rad. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:46am - phobia ""] GRIND COMMENCE. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:47am - sxealex ""] phobia said:i hate phobia phobia hates you |
| __________________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:48am - delmuerte ""] I hate phobia, too. Goddamn bossman breathing down my fucking neck!! |
| ________________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:49am - sxealex ""] wait i was in allston the other day and some cocksmoker said grind was about pizza and ninja turtles. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:50am - phobia ""] yeah, i dont blame them... after all, i am stuck living with one of those dickheads. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:50am - delmuerte ""] Grind is about excessive gas, cheap beer and the Talmud. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 5,2008 2:54am - sxealex ""] i hope its about murder. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 5,2008 10:09am - Lamp ""] sxealex said:wait i was in allston the other day and some cocksmoker said grind was about pizza and ninja turtles. Why would someone think The Accused is a grind band? |