Mccain Picks hott slut as running mate
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[Aug 29,2008 11:08am - archaeon ""]
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/pal....republican.vp.candidate/index.html
:shocked:
[Aug 29,2008 11:09am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
yowza!
[Aug 29,2008 11:09am - thuringwethil ""]
HAHAHAHA
I think I like McCain again.
[Aug 29,2008 11:11am - brian_dc ""]
would fuck
[Aug 29,2008 11:11am - archaeon ""]
vote nigger? or vote woman?
I'm so torn
[Aug 29,2008 11:16am - largefreakatzero ""]
Hmmm...hunter & fisherman(woman) -- I am interested. McCain still sucks, but so does Obama -- decisions, decisions...
[Aug 29,2008 11:23am - Mess ""]
whoa
bookwormbitches.com
[Aug 29,2008 11:24am - aril ""]
hahahaha, I remember that site.
[Aug 29,2008 11:26am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""]
That's a ticket you can get behind.
Thanks folks, I'll be at the Airport Hyatt all weekend.
[Aug 29,2008 11:31am - archaeon ""]
too bad /b/ is down. i was hoping for some rule 34 on this shit.
[Aug 29,2008 11:39am - ouchdrummer ""]
id do her
[Aug 29,2008 11:41am - Mikeofdecrepitude ""]
hot chicks with glasses = win
[Aug 29,2008 11:47am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Mikeofdecrepitude said:hot chicks with glasses = win
agreed 110%
[Aug 29,2008 12:07pm - thuringwethil ""]
sweetongeeks.com
[Aug 29,2008 12:21pm - mOe ""]
apparently she's SUPER far to the right, pro-life, wants to drill in Alaska for more oil...
[Aug 29,2008 12:24pm - Martins ""]
archaeon said:vote nigger? or vote woman?
I'm so torn
You can't even vote...
[Aug 29,2008 12:24pm - Martins ""]
NIGGA!
I'm voting for Bob Barr personally.
[Aug 29,2008 12:25pm - archaeon ""]
yeah true i won't be able to vote, My birthday is on the 11th lolz
[Aug 29,2008 12:27pm - rbass ""]
mOe said:apparently she's SUPER far to the right, pro-life, wants to drill in Alaska for more oil...
Sounds like a bitch in need of some hard anal hatefuckin
[Aug 29,2008 12:39pm - READ ""]
Dude this lady is a joke. Mccain will die in office and this bitch will be running our country. This is why the world ends in 2012. She opened her speech talking about her husband and hes a champion snow machine rider. Screw this country i want to puke all over myself.
[Aug 29,2008 12:40pm - SkinSandwich ""]
Bitch has five kids. I would love to do her puppystyle will she yells political rhetoric at the same time.
[Aug 29,2008 12:43pm - timma ""]
READ said:Dude this lady is a joke. Mccain will die in office and this bitch will be running our country. This is why the world ends in 2012. She opened her speech talking about her husband and hes a champion snow machine rider. Screw this country i want to puke all over myself.
That's a big 10-4 good buddy...see you in hell!
[Aug 29,2008 12:45pm - SkinSandwich ""]
READ said:Dude this lady is a joke. Mccain will die in office and this bitch will be running our country. This is why the world ends in 2012. She opened her speech talking about her husband and hes a champion snow machine rider. Screw this country i want to puke all over myself.
You would still do her.
[Aug 29,2008 12:47pm - thuringwethil ""]
gyad, I saw some other footage of her
is that pic at the top from like FORTY THOUSAND years ago?????
[Aug 29,2008 12:48pm - thuringwethil ""]
oh wait she's 44.
Collagen implants are great
[Aug 29,2008 12:52pm - timma ""]
she's got crazy eyes...I'm pretty sure she's a succubus, and not the picture-taking rev kind either.
[Aug 29,2008 12:53pm - the_reverend ""]
she does that neck forwad thing.
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[Aug 29,2008 12:58pm - Monster_Island ""]
dayamn !!! woot woot ....
... still cant vote for McCain tho ... if you make under $5,000,000. a year and vote for McCain youre an idiot ... unfortunately Obama is the only other choice
[Aug 29,2008 1:04pm - timma ""]
[Aug 29,2008 12:53pm - the_reverend]
she does that neck forwad thing.
It's to stretch out that turkey-gobbler thing she's got goin on.
[Aug 29,2008 1:05pm - READ ""]
ya i'd do her but that doesnt make a her a good person just a person to fuck.
[Aug 29,2008 1:08pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""]
I bet her daughter's hot.
[Aug 29,2008 1:12pm - mOe ""]
I dont think she's SMOKING. I just think that she's a female politician that doesnt look like someone's grandmother.
[Aug 29,2008 1:12pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
timma said:[Aug 29,2008 12:53pm - the_reverend]
she does that neck forwad thing.
It's to stretch out that turkey-gobbler thing she's got goin on.
that means she can do some serious deepthroating
[Aug 29,2008 1:16pm - rbass ""]
mOe said:I dont think she's SMOKING. I just think that she's a female politician that doesnt look like someone's grandmother.
Man I dunno in that first pic she totally looks like a pornstar
[Aug 29,2008 1:20pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""]
She really does. Mess was dead on with the bookwormbitches comment.
[Aug 29,2008 1:23pm - mOe ""]
that picture is either old or touched up because she doesnt look that "hott" in any other picture
[Aug 29,2008 1:25pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""]
McCain really blew it, should have tapped Ron Paul
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[Aug 29,2008 1:26pm - Mikeofdecrepitude ""]
Yea,h if she really looked like the photo above, I'd slam that. Hot geek chicks are great.
[Aug 29,2008 1:27pm - Mikeofdecrepitude ""]
hahaha my comment was poorly timed
go ron paul!
[Aug 29,2008 1:38pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""]
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[Aug 29,2008 1:40pm - Kinslayer ""]
He's gonna lose w/ out Mitt.
[Aug 29,2008 1:40pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
hahahahaha
[Aug 29,2008 1:42pm - Mikeofdecrepitude ""]
hahah, yes
[Aug 29,2008 1:43pm - the_reverend ""]
omg... I can't wait to get to my car for jay severin.
[Aug 29,2008 1:48pm - brian_dc ""]
would pay to fuck
[Aug 29,2008 2:19pm - Kinslayer ""]
the_reverend said:omg... I can't wait to get to my car for jay severin.
I talked to him on yesterdays show....I told him about a racy pic of Katie Couric in a bathing suit I found in US Weekly...
[Aug 29,2008 2:26pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Kinslayer said:
the_reverend said:omg... I can't wait to get to my car for jay severin.
I talked to him on yesterdays show....I told him about a racy pic of Katie Couric in a bathing suit I found in US Weekly...
post pic or didnt happen
[Aug 29,2008 2:27pm - xmikex ""]
Novelty vote.
[Aug 29,2008 2:33pm - zyklon ""]
archaeon said:[img]
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/pal....republican.vp.candidate/index.html
:shocked:
I'd fuck the shit out of her, she looks like a dirty bitch
[Aug 29,2008 2:36pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
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[Aug 29,2008 2:38pm - xmikex ""]
Her youngest son has down syndrome.
Also, her professional career is less than impressive.
- Bachelor's Degree from the University of Idaho (I don't know much about it but according to US news it's tuition is comparable to Bridgewater State)
- 1987 Television sports reporter
- 1988 - 2007 co-owner commercial fishing operation?
- 1994 - 1997 owner, watercraft and all terrain vehicle business
- 2003 - 2004 chairbroad, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
and somehow managed to get a mayor, and governor gig out of it.
[Aug 29,2008 2:41pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
its called sleeping your way to the top
[Aug 29,2008 2:57pm - the_reverend ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:its called sleeping your way to the flopfixed
[Aug 29,2008 3:48pm - orgymf@work ""]
both candidates suck.
everyone should have backed Ron Paul
no more I.R.S.
Closed Borders
No Federal Reserve
Back To The Gold Standard
No More Birthright Citizenship.
he was the way to go....
all the dipshit followers just went......
nahhh, we want more of the same..........doesn't matter if it's a broad, a black dude, or an old ass white guy, but we don't want change, just people who use the word alot.
yuck
[Aug 29,2008 3:50pm - brian_dc ""]
Name of kids:
Track
Bristol
Willow
Piper
Trig
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
[Aug 29,2008 3:56pm - orgymf@work ""]
worst names ever....i hope she dies
[Aug 29,2008 3:58pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
what the fuck kinda name is Track? or Trig for that matter?! stupid bitch.
[Aug 29,2008 4:02pm - largefreakatzero ""]
Martins said:NIGGA!
I'm voting for Bob Barr personally.
I believe that's who I'm leaning towards as well.
[Aug 29,2008 4:14pm - xmikex ""]
The meat trombone is a persuasive instrument.
[Aug 29,2008 4:35pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
gonna have to agree with this guy
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/begala.palin/index.html
[Aug 29,2008 4:52pm - orgymf@work ""]
while i do agree with that guy....i'm glad he didn't pick romney.
romney is awful.....if romney was mccain's vp, i would pray for mccain to live eight more years.
[Aug 29,2008 4:58pm - mortalis ""]
omg maverick pick from john mccain. he's so crazy and unpredictable.
fucking ridiculous
[Aug 29,2008 5:14pm - SacreligionNLI ""]
xmikex said:Her youngest son has down syndrome.
Also, her professional career is less than impressive.
- Bachelor's Degree from the University of Idaho (I don't know much about it but according to US news it's tuition is comparable to Bridgewater State)
- 1987 Television sports reporter
- 1988 - 2007 co-owner commercial fishing operation?
- 1994 - 1997 owner, watercraft and all terrain vehicle business
- 2003 - 2004 chairbroad, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission
and somehow managed to get a mayor, and governor gig out of it.
she's like a hot, female GWB
[Aug 29,2008 6:38pm - DomesticTerror ""]
she belongs to the Assemblies of God. pure whacko. it'd be like having Patty Poole from the Hogan Family as VP. First order of business, ban Harry Potter books.
[Aug 29,2008 7:33pm - Phrozenspite ""]
have any pics of her from that miss alaska pageant that she came in 2nd in come up?
[Aug 29,2008 7:36pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
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[Aug 29,2008 7:38pm - zyklon ""]
I fucking hate her now, she's a hunter.......
[Aug 29,2008 7:45pm - The Revealer ""]
The odds of a President McCain assassination just dropped considerably.
[Aug 29,2008 10:19pm - pam ""]
This bitch is under investigation by the feds for shady firing practices, she had her last fucking baby and went back to work 3 days later and is now taking on a job that she will NEVER be home for with said baby...she's a power-hungry, pandering, corrupt cunt.
Creationist, Anti-Roe v Wade, anti gay marriage, NRA member, and the wife of a fucking oil man (great for that whole "wean ourselves off oil platform)...has been quoted to saying she doesn't pay much attention to the war in Iraq- the one that dingbat is about to ship off a son to fight in mind you...are you shittin me?
That bitch shouldn't be running a kitchen, let alone the country. Go back to spitting kids out of your clown car vagina you dizzy fucking broad.
[Aug 29,2008 10:20pm - the_reverend ""]
what decade was that picture taken? the sixties?
[Aug 29,2008 10:24pm - SkinSandwich ""]
pam said:This bitch is under investigation by the feds for shady firing practices, she had her last fucking baby and went back to work 3 days later and is now taking on a job that she will NEVER be home for with said baby...she's a power-hungry, pandering, corrupt cunt.
Creationist, Anti-Roe v Wade, anti gay marriage, NRA member, and the wife of a fucking oil man (great for that whole "wean ourselves off oil platform)...has been quoted to saying she doesn't pay much attention to the war in Iraq- the one that dingbat is about to ship off a son to fight in mind you...are you shittin me?
That bitch shouldn't be running a kitchen, let alone the country. Go back to spitting kids out of your clown car vagina you dizzy fucking broad.
You would still do her.
[Aug 29,2008 10:26pm - pam ""]
Oh of course.
I bet I could head-fuck her giant gaping twat.
[Aug 29,2008 10:39pm - archaeon ""]
pam said:This bitch is under investigation by the feds for shady firing practices, she had her last fucking baby and went back to work 3 days later and is now taking on a job that she will NEVER be home for with said baby...she's a power-hungry, pandering, corrupt cunt.
Creationist, Anti-Roe v Wade, anti gay marriage, NRA member, and the wife of a fucking oil man (great for that whole "wean ourselves off oil platform)...has been quoted to saying she doesn't pay much attention to the war in Iraq- the one that dingbat is about to ship off a son to fight in mind you...are you shittin me?
That bitch shouldn't be running a kitchen, let alone the country. Go back to spitting kids out of your clown car vagina you dizzy fucking broad.
well obama is a nigger!
[Aug 29,2008 10:43pm - Martins ""]
Bob Barr.
[Aug 29,2008 10:46pm - pam ""]
I'm going black.
[Aug 29,2008 10:58pm - archaeon ""]
a white woman would do that.
[Aug 29,2008 11:35pm - Hoser ""]
pam said:I'm going black.
Hahahahahaha figured you would.
NRA member...OH NOES!!!! Not a responsible gun owner...OH NOES!!! Anti-abortion...OH NOES!!!!!!! God forbid we stop city twats from reproducing their ill-raised criminal children!!!! OH NOES!!!! a career minded woman!!! OH NOES!!!! Hates the gay parades that ask the world for special rights!!!! I want Irish only rights...now I'll march because that's what I want!!!! You won't give it to me....OH NOES!!!!! My husband has a lucrative job!!! OH NOES!!!!! I'm voting for a nigger with an ARAB name!!!
C'mon Pam....I know that you're smarter than this. I'll mentally delete your comments in trade for a radical back-rub. C'mon....you're way too pretty and cool to be this stupid. Remember...niggers beat their wives for recreation. Please be honest to your blue eyed heritage and quit this liberal city-girl shit....
[Aug 29,2008 11:37pm - archaeon ""]
OH NOEZ
[Aug 29,2008 11:40pm - Conservationist ""]
pam said:Creationist, Anti-Roe v Wade, anti gay marriage, NRA member, and the wife of a fucking oil man (great for that whole "wean ourselves off oil platform)...has been quoted to saying she doesn't pay much attention to the war in Iraq- the one that dingbat is about to ship off a son to fight in mind you...are you shittin me?
"She's not a libbity lib progressive like me, so she should be gassed and thrown into an oven."
[Aug 29,2008 11:43pm - Hoser ""]
Well, I wouldn't go as far as gassing her. But she should screw her shit on straight and stop blowing that loser Tom Menino.....biggest failure Boston has ever seen. No smoking in bars...lets spread our gay to NH...WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Aug 29,2008 11:46pm - Conservationist ""]
Hoser said:Please be honest to your blue eyed heritage and quit this liberal city-girl shit....
But that doesn't feel as "empowering."
We need a good American Mussolini.
[Aug 29,2008 11:54pm - sxealex ""]
dude that first picture and the neck picture do not look like the same person at all
[Aug 29,2008 11:56pm - Hoser ""]
Let's drive from Massfuckshitholechussetts and picket in NH because we clog their roads and drive like assholes while were on vacation in their lovely states because we have turned our state into a liberal shitpipe full of Indian, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Nigger and God knows what else fuckhole full of Liberal loser fucksticks with not even enough money to support their stupidity state. We'll just all vacation in Maine on state money because we are slovenly pigs with littered streets and homeless shelters because we invite the world in and overtax our residents so that they invade other states for fun!!!! All to pay for the scum!!!!! We enjoy throwing money at every problem because we are not patient enough or lack the basic intelligence to find a solution without tossing money at it. We love Ted "cancer face" Kennedy because we are habitual losers that lack the intelligence to change anything. We have tons of colleges full of smart IDIOTS who never leave the state. Insteaad, they all spend their rich ass dollars buying up property in the other beloved states nearby...forcing the locals out because we make BOSTON money.
Fuck it...I'll go out on a limb here and say that Mass. is one of the BIGGEST shithole communist states in the union. They are full of corrupt, shitty, LAZY leadership and they are content with that as long as they don't have to get off of their lazy fucking asses and do anything about it.....the sad part is that the fags do more to ensure their FAKE rights than the voting majority. Mass is a shame. A black mark on the face of this great country. They took what was a great state and turned it into a shithole with their one of a kind, idiotic politics. Good job Mass...the rest of the country thinks that you're fucking morons....A fuckin' +++++++
A prayer: Please God....let Mass float out into the ocean and become a solitary country...that way they cannot spread their disease and political drivel to the rest of this great country that I have bled to protect.
[Aug 30,2008 12:06am - archaeon ""]
not reading
[Aug 30,2008 12:09am - Hoser ""]
archaeon said:not reading
That's ok...you're from Mass...where ignorance is absolute bliss.
[Aug 30,2008 12:13am - archaeon ""]
GUNS
[Aug 30,2008 12:18am - neverpurified ""]
Hoser said:Indian, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Nigger and God knows what else fuckhole full of Liberal loser fucksticks with not even enough money to support their stupidity state.
Do you mean Indians from India or Native Americans?
[Aug 30,2008 12:41am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""]
Hoser said:
pam said:I'm going black.
Hahahahahaha figured you would.
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MASSACHUSETTS WAAAAAAAAAHMBULANCE
Fixed
[Aug 30,2008 12:43am - thegreatspaldino ""]
Hoser said:Good job Mass...the rest of the country thinks that you're fucking morons...
actually the common theme my bandmate and myself have noticed... the further west you go, the less people even KNOW about Massachusetts being a state in this country. its crazy because if you know a little about American history, then you SURELY know about Massachusetts. we only had a ton of important historical events happen here... no biggie.
i will agree that there are a lot of fucking retarded people here, but there are even more retarded people everywhere else. we're just assholes for the most part.
funny story actually... i was at the 99 in Waltham for orientation and as i was waiting to leave, i heard these dudes at the bar talking about this broad that Mccain picked as a running mate. "i heard it was Maryanne from Gilligan's Island!" "NO WAY?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?!" "Yeah!"
fucking morons.
[Aug 30,2008 9:22am - Conservationist ""]
orgymf@work said:both candidates suck.
everyone should have backed Ron Paul
no more I.R.S.
Closed Borders
No Federal Reserve
Back To The Gold Standard
No More Birthright Citizenship.
End Affirmative Action + HUD and it's a deal.
[Aug 30,2008 11:06am - rotivore ""]
archaeon said:[img]
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/pal....republican.vp.candidate/index.html
:shocked:the quintessential democratic hatefuck
[Aug 30,2008 11:41am - Conservationist ""]
http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2008/08/sar...-palin-yeah-well-is-she-jewish.html
[Aug 30,2008 12:03pm - pam ""]
Hoser said:
pam said:I'm going black.
Hahahahahaha figured you would.
NRA member...OH NOES!!!! Not a responsible gun owner...OH NOES!!! Anti-abortion...OH NOES!!!!!!! God forbid we stop city twats from reproducing their ill-raised criminal children!!!! OH NOES!!!! a career minded woman!!! OH NOES!!!! Hates the gay parades that ask the world for special rights!!!! I want Irish only rights...now I'll march because that's what I want!!!! You won't give it to me....OH NOES!!!!! My husband has a lucrative job!!! OH NOES!!!!! I'm voting for a nigger with an ARAB name!!!
C'mon Pam....I know that you're smarter than this. I'll mentally delete your comments in trade for a radical back-rub. C'mon....you're way too pretty and cool to be this stupid. Remember...niggers beat their wives for recreation. Please be honest to your blue eyed heritage and quit this liberal city-girl shit....
You make it very difficult to love you, ya know.
[Aug 30,2008 12:04pm - pam ""]
BobNOMAAMRooney-Awesome.
[Aug 30,2008 12:11pm - rotivore ""]
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[Aug 30,2008 12:18pm - pam ""]
Conservationist said:
pam said:Creationist, Anti-Roe v Wade, anti gay marriage, NRA member, and the wife of a fucking oil man (great for that whole "wean ourselves off oil platform)...has been quoted to saying she doesn't pay much attention to the war in Iraq- the one that dingbat is about to ship off a son to fight in mind you...are you shittin me?
"She's not a libbity lib progressive like me, so she should be gassed and thrown into an oven."
I'm actually not that liberal. I have pretty conservative views on immigration, I'm anti- affimative action, think welfare should be available but strictly regulated so no one can cheat it, and have down-the-middle views on some other shit. I just happen to believe that *GASP* the government shouldn't dictate what I do with my fucking body, nor should it dictate who can marry who.
You cannot logically tell me you are for less government (like you Ron Paul people) and tell me it's OK for the big brother to control a woman's uterus or lord over civil unions and marriage with a big brick bible. That's hypocritical and fucking stupid. That's not smaller government, that's you hiding a personal vendetta under the guise of family fucking values bullshit.
Human rights, even for people that aren't straight, white, and male...what a hippy I am. Lick my ass, cunts.
Idiots.
[Aug 30,2008 12:21pm - pam ""]
Oh and I forgot to add- Yes she should be gassed and thrown into an oven, with the rest of the FUCKING MORONS who are creationists. I will drop fucking dead before I let public schools attempt to shove that fairytale bullshit down my children's throat. Or further stack the supreme court with more idiots that will inject their Santa Claus of morality crap into the law.
There is no god, stop being stupid. (Sorry CTB)
[Aug 30,2008 12:23pm - dreadkill ""]
pam said:Oh and I forgot to add- Yes she should be gassed and thrown into an oven, with the rest of the FUCKING MORONS who are creationists. I will drop fucking dead before I let public schools attempt to shove that fairytale bullshit down my children's throat. Or further stack the supreme court with more idiots that will inject their Santa Claus of morality crap into the law.
There is no god, stop being stupid. (Sorry CTB)right on
[Aug 30,2008 12:30pm - rbass ""]
Hoser - I have never responded to your bullshit on this forum before, mainly because it is a huge waste of time, but goddamnit you are obnoxious. Fuck your racist bullshit. I hope Bo-Vice from Dorchester comes to your house and night-rapes and then bukkake-s you and your woman.
Ok I have shit to do all day, bye. Dumbass.
[Aug 30,2008 12:43pm - dreadkill ""]
obama is only half black. i wish he was an octaroon, because that's the best word ever and it would be fun to have an octaroon as president, considering it doesn't really matter who the president is anyway.
[Aug 30,2008 12:43pm - Conservationist ""]
pam said:
Conservationist said:
pam said:Creationist, Anti-Roe v Wade, anti gay marriage, NRA member, and the wife of a fucking oil man (great for that whole "wean ourselves off oil platform)...has been quoted to saying she doesn't pay much attention to the war in Iraq- the one that dingbat is about to ship off a son to fight in mind you...are you shittin me?
"She's not a libbity lib progressive like me, so she should be gassed and thrown into an oven."
I'm actually not that liberal. I have pretty conservative views on immigration, I'm anti- affimative action, think welfare should be available but strictly regulated so no one can cheat it, and have down-the-middle views on some other shit. I just happen to believe that *GASP* the government shouldn't dictate what I do with my fucking body, nor should it dictate who can marry who.
You cannot logically tell me you are for less government (like you Ron Paul people) and tell me it's OK for the big brother to control a woman's uterus or lord over civil unions and marriage with a big brick bible. That's hypocritical and fucking stupid. That's not smaller government, that's you hiding a personal vendetta under the guise of family fucking values bullshit.
Human rights, even for people that aren't straight, white, and male...what a hippy I am. Lick my ass, cunts.
Idiots.
I'm for less delusional government.
Yes, I don't like creationism either, nor would I ever ban abortion (it's dysgenic), but I'm not clueless enough to run to the opposite party because of those SMALL issues relative to the BIGGER issue of direction.
My feeling has always been that the Confederacy was right: states should decide these issues, not the federal gov't, because states are going to vary in political outlook... in general, the places I want to live are the conservative places, because there are FEWER PARASITES.
Of course, you'd rather call me an idiot than read what I've written on this topic. Awesome. Internet++
[Aug 30,2008 12:44pm - dreadkill ""]
everyone acts like obama is the twin brother of wesley snipes. has anyone actually looked at the guy? he looks way more like his white mother than his black father.
[Aug 30,2008 12:46pm - Conservationist ""]
Conservationist said:
pam said:Creationist, Anti-Roe v Wade, anti gay marriage, NRA member, and the wife of a fucking oil man (great for that whole "wean ourselves off oil platform)...has been quoted to saying she doesn't pay much attention to the war in Iraq- the one that dingbat is about to ship off a son to fight in mind you...are you shittin me?
"She's not a libbity lib progressive like me, so she should be gassed and thrown into an oven."
Let's look at Pam's full rant here:
* Creationist
* Anti-Abortion
* NRA member
* Wife of an oil man
* Doesn't pay attention to the war in Iraq
The rest was incoherent so we'll skip it.
Creationist: if people have religious freedom, they may want the right to this belief and who are we to say it's ignorant?
Anti-Abortion: not my issue. In fact, I think it's a flagship issue of little consequence. Racists should note: most abortions performed in USA are on black women.
NRA member: I support the right to keep and bear arms, so I can kill ghetto dwellers and delusional Crowdists alike.
Wife of an oil man: lots of good people earn money from the oil industry, because they're trying to feed their families. Do you want us all to take safe careers so we can starve? Awesome libbityness.
Doesn't pay attention to the war in Iraq: neither does most of the USA, because they realize it's a war to establish middle eastern hegemony.
[Aug 30,2008 1:23pm - zyklon ""]
rbass said:Hoser - I have never responded to your bullshit on this forum before, mainly because it is a huge waste of time, but goddamnit you are obnoxious. Fuck your racist bullshit. I hope Bo-Vice from Dorchester comes to your house and night-rapes and then bukkake-s you and your woman.
Ok I have shit to do all day, bye. Dumbass.
Hoser is a stupid, ignorant red neck that's living among educated people. You're embarrassing the white race
[Aug 30,2008 1:59pm - mortalis ""]
rotivore said:[img]
DP in the oval office. best moment in american history? i think so.
[Aug 30,2008 4:16pm - Conservationist ""]
zyklon said:Hoser is a stupid, ignorant red neck that's living among educated people.
Oh, for fuck's sake...
If we're all such enlightened and tolerant people, let him have his opinion and speak it.
What could we all be afraid of?
[Aug 30,2008 4:58pm - zyklon ""]
Speak for yourself buddy
[Aug 30,2008 5:17pm - Murph ""]
Conservationist said:
pam said:
Conservationist said:
pam said:
I'm for less delusional government.
Yes, I don't like creationism either, nor would I ever ban abortion (it's dysgenic), but I'm not clueless enough to run to the opposite party because of those SMALL issues relative to the BIGGER issue of direction.
My feeling has always been that the Confederacy was right: states should decide these issues, not the federal gov't, because states are going to vary in political outlook... in general, the places I want to live are the conservative places, because there are FEWER PARASITES.
Of course, you'd rather call me an idiot than read what I've written on this topic. Awesome. Internet++
The fact that you ascribe any value at all to ethnonationalism blows my mind. The only single factor in ethnic progression is food production, which has more to do with latitudes than it does the color of one's skin or the race someone is identified with.
Calling a particular group of people or person a PARASITE(S) is subjective and means nothing.
The Confederacy was not right, especially as American legislation has progressed. No matter what you say it is impossible to maintain a healthy, economically sound, and domestically-fluid nation allowing States to supercede Federal law. Allowing citizens to disperse in different states based on some legislative grab-bag is divisive and would eventually invalidate the Constitution (which I do not deny should be more flexible). Trying to maintain equitable trade between states whose laws are different would prove difficult and in some cases impossible.
Trying to base a state on political tenets is unbelievable. Even though political analysts who couldn't have a single constructive nor original thought in a lifetime babble on about blue states and red state, to actually denominate a state as having to adhere to a political faction at this point would really create about 3-4 different types of states, ie. three or four different small countries which will most likely not border each other and require separate, non-unified policing based on individual policy.
Your bullshit amounts to one principle: you want division because you pigeonhole people and their ideologies, which is rigid and non-realistic. People exist, and the only way to synthesize is to have as many minds working toward goals as possible, and I don't see how anything you've brought forth is at all constructive.
[Aug 30,2008 5:21pm - Murph ""]
I do admit though, this Conservationist fellow is eloquent enough that he could probably sell many people in this country a piece of dog shit and convince them it's gold.
[Aug 30,2008 7:21pm - Conservationist ""]
Your bullshit amounts to one principle: you want division because you pigeonhole people and their ideologies, which is rigid and non-realistic. People exist, and the only way to synthesize is to have as many minds working toward goals as possible, and I don't see how anything you've brought forth is at all constructive.
So we've gone from POLITICAL analysis to POP PSYCHOLOGY?
Minds are mostly deterministic; see THE BLANK SLATE by STEVEN PINKER. You are your abilities, and those determine most of your outlook.
Further, I'm aware that for most situations, there is one good approach with some variations; anything else is pretense.
For this reason, I see that people are inherently divided by their degree of realism and that for the most part, it is inherent.
I don't necessarily like this division, in a moral or preferential sense, but it exists and I think we should deal with it and move on. It comes down to the same psychology of "I wish I looked like Brad Pitt" or "I wish I had Marg Helgenberg's mammaries." We are different but we live in the same world, although this knowledge is not commonly known.
Now on to the political part:
No matter what you say it is impossible to maintain a healthy, economically sound, and domestically-fluid nation allowing States to supercede Federal law.
I am not speaking of states superceding Federal law, as one might have to do in order to secede from the nation.
I am speaking of states' rights applying in scope, so that certain laws (abortion, gun control, drugs, etc) could be seen as within the realm of the state and not the federation.
This was how America was originally designed, 1776-1789, and it works best when there is no consensus and there's unlikely to be one.
(Not to split hairs, but this is actually a separate issue from ethnonationalism. The reasons for ethnonationalism are many; I'm talking here about the divisions within the electorate as a whole, and I believe it would also apply to an all-white or all-black electorate in America, and so on. The word PARASITE is not used to refer to a specific genetic group, just people who behave like parasites. I think we all know them and realize they are not limited to any one ethnic group, although some will argue they occur in different percentages in different ethnic groups; my argument is that PARASITISM occurs as a psychology and that nations are healthier without much of it.)
Here's some interesting genetic determination evidence:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economis...tsview/2008/07/political-parti.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/21/science/21gene.html
I do admit though, this Conservationist fellow is eloquent enough that he could probably sell many people in this country a piece of dog shit and convince them it's gold.
Thank you for the kind words. I love this stuff. Parents, don't let your kids be debaters. And if they do become debaters, don't let them study philosophy. After that, keep them from writing on politics. Drug addiction is better than being obsessed with the structure of logical argument.
[Aug 30,2008 8:38pm - Murph ""]
Conservationist said:
Minds are mostly deterministic; see THE BLANK SLATE by STEVEN PINKER. You are your abilities, and those determine most of your outlook.
Further, I'm aware that for most situations, there is one good approach with some variations; anything else is pretense.
For this reason, I see that people are inherently divided by their degree of realism and that for the most part, it is inherent.
I am not speaking of states superceding Federal law, as one might have to do in order to secede from the nation.
I am speaking of states' rights applying in scope, so that certain laws (abortion, gun control, drugs, etc) could be seen as within the realm of the state and not the federation.
This was how America was originally designed, 1776-1789, and it works best when there is no consensus and there's unlikely to be one.
(Not to split hairs, but this is actually a separate issue from ethnonationalism. The reasons for ethnonationalism are many; I'm talking here about the divisions within the electorate as a whole, and I believe it would also apply to an all-white or all-black electorate in America, and so on. The word PARASITE is not used to refer to a specific genetic group, just people who behave like parasites. I think we all know them and realize they are not limited to any one ethnic group, although some will argue they occur in different percentages in different ethnic groups; my argument is that PARASITISM occurs as a psychology and that nations are healthier without much of it.)
I will look into the book by Pinker, but to say 'You are your abilities' is not fact, but thesis, as ranging someone's abilities is a matter of outside perspective, not introspection. My point was not against the realm of causation, but rather that the combination of more possible outlooks serves to allow the construction of ideas, and the synthesis of those ideas (such as the formulas we are using to create this argument, and the materials used to create opinions).
Determinism is a doctrine, not some infallible principle. I think it is safe to say anomalies exist, as you open up to by stating that one's abilities determine MOST of a person's outlook. Another part of a person's outlook is their rearing, another instance in life where a certain type of childhood does not always produce the expected product. Perhaps here I could inject a bit of breadth and social responsibility into your point of there being usually 'one good approach' with some variations' when confronting an issue. Even if your point is true, those making the decisions, along with their consideration of those the decisions affect are the basic tenets of human interaction and responsibility. Here is where the theory of determinism holds ground, as the causes to all human issues does in some way affect all humans, no matter how miniscule it might be.
I agree people are divided by their different sense of what is real, however, Zilboorg points out 'The sense of reality is not the static result of a certain psychological developmental process but is fluid and changeable.' If it was not, people would not have a sense of idealism, which affects one's choices (in my case, one might say a sense of 'nostalgic escapism.') Differing senses of realism in society push forward new ideas, new modes, and drive forms of expression. Even if our sense of reality is inherent, isn't it possible the admiration or condemnation of someone else's might affect our own?
To put it flatly, our sense of the 'state' is not the same as it was when the country was formed. These states were instrumental in serving one goal (albeit somewhat sub-conciously) which was to bring forth differing ideals, and through the interaction of this multinational congregation, we formed a federation to serve each person equally. The state is a conduit of the federation, not an undermining body. The United States is an experiment in breaking the barriers that you for some reason feel so akin to, which are band/tribal in theme.
America lived from 1776-1787 under the Articles of Confederation. Let's be realistic, they were too weak. The reason? Their divisiveness.
To say parasites are found less in conservative areas is to state that conservatism usually isn't a parasite itself. It is subjective. We are all dregs in our own way. As you stated before, people are divided due to their sense of realism, which here would place the function of parasite to mean something to you, and something else to another. If we are surrounding ourselves with only those akin to us, WE WILL DIE OUT. It is the ability to see our opposite and live with it that strengthens our own perceptions.
Satre pined to create his Existentialist credo as the answer to many of the 'extreme issues' Marxism, through its tenets of materialism and determinism, could not. Yet, as we progress through the works, we see that Existenialism at its reduction was a 'parasite' of Marxism. Interesting.
sprinkle some fries on those CUPCAKES.
[Aug 30,2008 8:57pm - The Revealer ""]
http://vpilf.com
[Aug 31,2008 12:11am - shannon ""]
READ said:Dude this lady is a joke. Mccain will die in office and this bitch will be running our country. This is why the world ends in 2012. She opened her speech talking about her husband and hes a champion snow machine rider. Screw this country i want to puke all over myself.
You just took the words right out of my mouth-
[Aug 31,2008 2:11am - the_reverend ""]
the daily show said that she looked like basically 1/2 the girls on tv. all they need is glasses.
[Aug 31,2008 2:23am - the_reverend ""]
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[Aug 31,2008 2:26am - the_reverend ""]
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[Aug 31,2008 9:21pm - the_reverend ""]
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[Aug 31,2008 9:54pm - archaeon ""]
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thx 4chan
[Aug 31,2008 10:46pm - Conservationist ""]
Murph said:
Conservationist said:
Minds are mostly deterministic; see THE BLANK SLATE by STEVEN PINKER. You are your abilities, and those determine most of your outlook.
Further, I'm aware that for most situations, there is one good approach with some variations; anything else is pretense.
For this reason, I see that people are inherently divided by their degree of realism and that for the most part, it is inherent.
I am not speaking of states superceding Federal law, as one might have to do in order to secede from the nation.
I am speaking of states' rights applying in scope, so that certain laws (abortion, gun control, drugs, etc) could be seen as within the realm of the state and not the federation.
This was how America was originally designed, 1776-1789, and it works best when there is no consensus and there's unlikely to be one.
(Not to split hairs, but this is actually a separate issue from ethnonationalism. The reasons for ethnonationalism are many; I'm talking here about the divisions within the electorate as a whole, and I believe it would also apply to an all-white or all-black electorate in America, and so on. The word PARASITE is not used to refer to a specific genetic group, just people who behave like parasites. I think we all know them and realize they are not limited to any one ethnic group, although some will argue they occur in different percentages in different ethnic groups; my argument is that PARASITISM occurs as a psychology and that nations are healthier without much of it.)
I will look into the book by Pinker, but to say 'You are your abilities' is not fact, but thesis, as ranging someone's abilities is a matter of outside perspective, not introspection. My point was not against the realm of causation, but rather that the combination of more possible outlooks serves to allow the construction of ideas, and the synthesis of those ideas (such as the formulas we are using to create this argument, and the materials used to create opinions).
Determinism is a doctrine, not some infallible principle. I think it is safe to say anomalies exist, as you open up to by stating that one's abilities determine MOST of a person's outlook. Another part of a person's outlook is their rearing, another instance in life where a certain type of childhood does not always produce the expected product. Perhaps here I could inject a bit of breadth and social responsibility into your point of there being usually 'one good approach' with some variations' when confronting an issue. Even if your point is true, those making the decisions, along with their consideration of those the decisions affect are the basic tenets of human interaction and responsibility. Here is where the theory of determinism holds ground, as the causes to all human issues does in some way affect all humans, no matter how miniscule it might be.
I agree people are divided by their different sense of what is real, however, Zilboorg points out 'The sense of reality is not the static result of a certain psychological developmental process but is fluid and changeable.' If it was not, people would not have a sense of idealism, which affects one's choices (in my case, one might say a sense of 'nostalgic escapism.') Differing senses of realism in society push forward new ideas, new modes, and drive forms of expression. Even if our sense of reality is inherent, isn't it possible the admiration or condemnation of someone else's might affect our own?
To put it flatly, our sense of the 'state' is not the same as it was when the country was formed. These states were instrumental in serving one goal (albeit somewhat sub-conciously) which was to bring forth differing ideals, and through the interaction of this multinational congregation, we formed a federation to serve each person equally. The state is a conduit of the federation, not an undermining body. The United States is an experiment in breaking the barriers that you for some reason feel so akin to, which are band/tribal in theme.
America lived from 1776-1787 under the Articles of Confederation. Let's be realistic, they were too weak. The reason? Their divisiveness.
To say parasites are found less in conservative areas is to state that conservatism usually isn't a parasite itself. It is subjective. We are all dregs in our own way. As you stated before, people are divided due to their sense of realism, which here would place the function of parasite to mean something to you, and something else to another. If we are surrounding ourselves with only those akin to us, WE WILL DIE OUT. It is the ability to see our opposite and live with it that strengthens our own perceptions.
Satre pined to create his Existentialist credo as the answer to many of the 'extreme issues' Marxism, through its tenets of materialism and determinism, could not. Yet, as we progress through the works, we see that Existenialism at its reduction was a 'parasite' of Marxism. Interesting.
sprinkle some fries on those CUPCAKES.
All facts are theses, by this definition, because undiscovered correlative facts could change their meanings
" the combination of more possible outlooks serves to allow the construction of ideas" -- yet you assume each of those are distinct ideas, and that they are not self-serving. Are humans not on the whole self-serving? And of 10,000 men, do you not find four or five ideas repeated in different form?
Determinism is a doctrine, but so is its opposite. And if we admit that both predetermined capabilities (nature) and learned capabilities (nurture) influence a person, cannot we reverse your argument and say that there is no proof anomalies are only anomalies, and that if most people follow the pattern of nature being MORE IMPORTANT THAN nurture, that it is the guiding principle here?
Name exceptions, if you would, otherwise... I sense fantasy on the wing, and recommend you read Pinker. First, intelligence is wholly heritable, barring negative events. It cannot be improved. With education it can be guided, but a 105 never outpaces a 125 on the IQ scale. So we can see the trend goes in one way but not the other.
"Zilboorg points out 'The sense of reality is not the static result of a certain psychological developmental process but is fluid and changeable.' If it was not, people would not have a sense of idealism" -- no agreement here whatsoever, as it does not account for people being hardwired toward that idealism, or that idealism being a compensative factor (cognitive dissonance). Differing senses of realism -- but there is one reality -- so you are saying that people being in error contributes somehow to discourse? Really? Only if one does not ever want to arrive at an answer, an event feared only by those who are afraid of what that answer means FOR THEM PERSONALLY.
As to your points about the division of states, consider this: right now, the country is vastly divided. No one side wins for long. Who loses? The people, as they have inconsistent leadership that spends more time infighting than addressing actual issues. A sign of a declining civilization... the original ideas of confederation, based on the 13 colonies, would free successful areas from obligation to other areas, and vice versa. It would be no more divisive than now because the opinions of individuals would remain the same, so would the division in society.
"To say parasites are found less in conservative areas is to state that conservatism usually isn't a parasite itself. It is subjective. We are all dregs in our own way. As you stated before, people are divided due to their sense of realism, which here would place the function of parasite to mean something to you, and something else to another. " -- ah, a semantic argument! To say the word parasite means one thing to someone, and another to something else, does not change the DEFINITION OF PARASITE, only the term used to refer to it. We can play word games all day long.
Why do conservative areas have fewer parasites? Because they are less concerned with inequality, and so do not support as many parasites. Compare the midwest to the coasts.
"If we are surrounding ourselves with only those akin to us, WE WILL DIE OUT. It is the ability to see our opposite and live with it that strengthens our own perceptions." -- this doesn't follow. If we are surrounded by those near us, AND WE ARE REALISTIC, we have no need for these partially realistic delusional perspectives you speak so highly of.
Marxism is a distillation of Hegelianism, or the idea that through conflict we arrive at a higher form of socialization. Well, let's see... planet in ruins, still constant conflict, nuclear proliferation, pollution, less literacy and more people... I think Hegelianism has failed. Other than our technology, are we better off or worse off than in the past?
We will die out, I'd argue, if we cannot find reality and agree on it, which does not mean that every perspective can be considered equally.
[Sep 1,2008 2:01am - zyklon ""]
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[Sep 1,2008 3:12am - Murph ""]
Conservationist said:
Murph said:
Conservationist said:
Minds are mostly deterministic; see THE BLANK SLATE by STEVEN PINKER. You are your abilities, and those determine most of your outlook.
Further, I'm aware that for most situations, there is one good approach with some variations; anything else is pretense.
For this reason, I see that people are inherently divided by their degree of realism and that for the most part, it is inherent.
I am not speaking of states superceding Federal law, as one might have to do in order to secede from the nation.
I am speaking of states' rights applying in scope, so that certain laws (abortion, gun control, drugs, etc) could be seen as within the realm of the state and not the federation.
This was how America was originally designed, 1776-1789, and it works best when there is no consensus and there's unlikely to be one.
(Not to split hairs, but this is actually a separate issue from ethnonationalism. The reasons for ethnonationalism are many; I'm talking here about the divisions within the electorate as a whole, and I believe it would also apply to an all-white or all-black electorate in America, and so on. The word PARASITE is not used to refer to a specific genetic group, just people who behave like parasites. I think we all know them and realize they are not limited to any one ethnic group, although some will argue they occur in different percentages in different ethnic groups; my argument is that PARASITISM occurs as a psychology and that nations are healthier without much of it.)
I will look into the book by Pinker, but to say 'You are your abilities' is not fact, but thesis, as ranging someone's abilities is a matter of outside perspective, not introspection. My point was not against the realm of causation, but rather that the combination of more possible outlooks serves to allow the construction of ideas, and the synthesis of those ideas (such as the formulas we are using to create this argument, and the materials used to create opinions).
Determinism is a doctrine, not some infallible principle. I think it is safe to say anomalies exist, as you open up to by stating that one's abilities determine MOST of a person's outlook. Another part of a person's outlook is their rearing, another instance in life where a certain type of childhood does not always produce the expected product. Perhaps here I could inject a bit of breadth and social responsibility into your point of there being usually 'one good approach' with some variations' when confronting an issue. Even if your point is true, those making the decisions, along with their consideration of those the decisions affect are the basic tenets of human interaction and responsibility. Here is where the theory of determinism holds ground, as the causes to all human issues does in some way affect all humans, no matter how miniscule it might be.
I agree people are divided by their different sense of what is real, however, Zilboorg points out 'The sense of reality is not the static result of a certain psychological developmental process but is fluid and changeable.' If it was not, people would not have a sense of idealism, which affects one's choices (in my case, one might say a sense of 'nostalgic escapism.') Differing senses of realism in society push forward new ideas, new modes, and drive forms of expression. Even if our sense of reality is inherent, isn't it possible the admiration or condemnation of someone else's might affect our own?
To put it flatly, our sense of the 'state' is not the same as it was when the country was formed. These states were instrumental in serving one goal (albeit somewhat sub-conciously) which was to bring forth differing ideals, and through the interaction of this multinational congregation, we formed a federation to serve each person equally. The state is a conduit of the federation, not an undermining body. The United States is an experiment in breaking the barriers that you for some reason feel so akin to, which are band/tribal in theme.
America lived from 1776-1787 under the Articles of Confederation. Let's be realistic, they were too weak. The reason? Their divisiveness.
To say parasites are found less in conservative areas is to state that conservatism usually isn't a parasite itself. It is subjective. We are all dregs in our own way. As you stated before, people are divided due to their sense of realism, which here would place the function of parasite to mean something to you, and something else to another. If we are surrounding ourselves with only those akin to us, WE WILL DIE OUT. It is the ability to see our opposite and live with it that strengthens our own perceptions.
Satre pined to create his Existentialist credo as the answer to many of the 'extreme issues' Marxism, through its tenets of materialism and determinism, could not. Yet, as we progress through the works, we see that Existenialism at its reduction was a 'parasite' of Marxism. Interesting.
sprinkle some fries on those CUPCAKES.
All facts are theses, by this definition, because undiscovered correlative facts could change their meanings
" the combination of more possible outlooks serves to allow the construction of ideas" -- yet you assume each of those are distinct ideas, and that they are not self-serving. Are humans not on the whole self-serving? And of 10,000 men, do you not find four or five ideas repeated in different form?
Determinism is a doctrine, but so is its opposite. And if we admit that both predetermined capabilities (nature) and learned capabilities (nurture) influence a person, cannot we reverse your argument and say that there is no proof anomalies are only anomalies, and that if most people follow the pattern of nature being MORE IMPORTANT THAN nurture, that it is the guiding principle here?
Name exceptions, if you would, otherwise... I sense fantasy on the wing, and recommend you read Pinker. First, intelligence is wholly heritable, barring negative events. It cannot be improved. With education it can be guided, but a 105 never outpaces a 125 on the IQ scale. So we can see the trend goes in one way but not the other.
"Zilboorg points out 'The sense of reality is not the static result of a certain psychological developmental process but is fluid and changeable.' If it was not, people would not have a sense of idealism" -- no agreement here whatsoever, as it does not account for people being hardwired toward that idealism, or that idealism being a compensative factor (cognitive dissonance). Differing senses of realism -- but there is one reality -- so you are saying that people being in error contributes somehow to discourse? Really? Only if one does not ever want to arrive at an answer, an event feared only by those who are afraid of what that answer means FOR THEM PERSONALLY.
As to your points about the division of states, consider this: right now, the country is vastly divided. No one side wins for long. Who loses? The people, as they have inconsistent leadership that spends more time infighting than addressing actual issues. A sign of a declining civilization... the original ideas of confederation, based on the 13 colonies, would free successful areas from obligation to other areas, and vice versa. It would be no more divisive than now because the opinions of individuals would remain the same, so would the division in society.
"To say parasites are found less in conservative areas is to state that conservatism usually isn't a parasite itself. It is subjective. We are all dregs in our own way. As you stated before, people are divided due to their sense of realism, which here would place the function of parasite to mean something to you, and something else to another. " -- ah, a semantic argument! To say the word parasite means one thing to someone, and another to something else, does not change the DEFINITION OF PARASITE, only the term used to refer to it. We can play word games all day long.
Why do conservative areas have fewer parasites? Because they are less concerned with inequality, and so do not support as many parasites. Compare the midwest to the coasts.
"If we are surrounding ourselves with only those akin to us, WE WILL DIE OUT. It is the ability to see our opposite and live with it that strengthens our own perceptions." -- this doesn't follow. If we are surrounded by those near us, AND WE ARE REALISTIC, we have no need for these partially realistic delusional perspectives you speak so highly of.
Marxism is a distillation of Hegelianism, or the idea that through conflict we arrive at a higher form of socialization. Well, let's see... planet in ruins, still constant conflict, nuclear proliferation, pollution, less literacy and more people... I think Hegelianism has failed. Other than our technology, are we better off or worse off than in the past?
We will die out, I'd argue, if we cannot find reality and agree on it, which does not mean that every perspective can be considered equally.
This has been your most forced post yet.
Intelligence may be inheritable, but to strip away the potential for advancement for a single mind at any time is a waste of what it is to be human, which, barring INJURY OR DISEASE is a constant POTENTIAL for growth. It might seem fitting to be cynical, but it is in no way close to reality. Some people born into considerably low-functioning, low-stimulus environments go on to live lives of incredible intellect and cognitive function. Your NATURE vs. NURTURE argument follows trend in situations most often when the standard of living in a particular area matches the education provided to those in the area ie. the ability to 'move up' correlates to the position deemed at birth or through economic status during the formative years. It is impossible to deem 'anomalies' just 'anomalies' because those anomalies produce the results that move the margins and shift perceived life expectancies past perceived limits. They are useful to actuaries, perhaps, but in real life, your hunches are just that: hunches.
I never consider that all ideas are constructive, yet it is impossible to be exacting when dealing with influence in the structure of the human mind and its ingenuity. Why play safe and categorically say that within a certain group of people, only this permutation of ideas can be created, deemed to be of only so much worth? Why is it that 4-5 ideas so similar mean less? Perhaps that is an indication of an idea holding more weight that 4-5 answers of vastly different properties? WHY BE SO EXACTING?
A 105 never outpaces a 125 on the scale? So the higher an IQ score the better quality of life someone can have? There is no need for an intelligent answer here because no matter how a person scores on a HUMAN test administered to measure PERCEIVED intelligence, to negate free choice in the destiny of any individual is to deny what is essentially human: some may be provided with a natural advantage, but it is to the individual to use that in a way that prospers. A 105 could lead a much more fulfilling life than a 125 if the 125 makes choices that do not fit with the normative being of society.
Someone being in error does account to discourse. While perhaps a bit cheeky for argumentative purposes, it is impossible to grasp the most normative behaviors without studying their most deviant possibilities. No single person's mind is able to comprehend all things in the most sound of ways, as the mathematics just weigh too heavy in the favor of error.
Your points about confederation are simply personal taste, and favor nothing of reality. Your point of inconsistent leadership is laughable, as having 13 states within a single nation with as much power as you propose would lead to 13 individual voices of (hopefully) equal power and might? Oh, that's right, some states who 'have it right' should not have to worry about those 'in the wrong.' There is no textbook that can solve the issues we have, which is why, as a united nation we use the platofrms of states to present problems which, as a whole, can be used to advance each state in its own way. WHERE'S THE FLEXIBILITY? And to be so wry as to say my parasitic point was a semantic argument means you've never studied a language outside of your native tongue: a perceived 'universal' definition of a word does not exist! In some biological cases a parasite can be something wholly negative or wholly necessary (japanese beetle vs. caituru fish). The definition of parasite is an arbitrary title: to place so much upon a perceived meaning is too rigid.
Also, I'm am neither a Marxist or neo-Marxist, so there is no need to fret. Your incredulous attitude toward my want for differing views is just too shortsighted: of course not every point-of-view holds the same weight, but that's not what I'm proposing. The fact is, there is not much we can do to affect the fact that no matter how streamlined and uniform our education system could possibly be, some people will believe and act just how the feel necessary, even in some cases completely in the face of convention and rationality. But we cannot cut those people off from ourselves. Discourse, now as much as ever before, keeps ourselves relevant. Every aspect of life, from humor to politics deals with cultural relevance. I just do not see how your ideas of separatism could at all benefit our way of life: you must realize no matter how we try only a fraction of the population could even participate in the argument we're having. There are only so many biological factors one can process in order to understand people until we being to realize that some people just choose to function at a certain level.
[Sep 1,2008 7:52am - Conservationist ""]
Forced post? Only if we accept what you say your arguments prove, instead of looking at your arguments. What you're trying to do here is rush us to "agree to disagree" without admitting the FACTS do not back up your point at all.
"Intelligence may be inheritable, but to strip away the potential for advancement for a single mind at any time is a waste of what it is to be human, which, barring INJURY OR DISEASE is a constant POTENTIAL for growth. " -- No, it's not. Intelligence does not grow. A person of IQ 105 never becomes a person of IQ 125. Potential for growth occurs through natural selection, or depressing the 105s and ensuring the 125s breed.
"t it is in no way close to reality. Some people born into considerably low-functioning, low-stimulus environments go on to live lives of incredible intellect and cognitive function. Your NATURE vs. NURTURE argument follows trend in situations most often when the standard of living in a particular area matches the education provided to those in the area ie. the ability to 'move up' correlates to the position deemed at birth or through economic status during the formative years." You're arguing backward here. In most areas where education is good, the parents of the children were successful or sacrificed to move them there, so the raw material -- the children -- already have the genetic ability to move up.
"I never consider that all ideas are constructive, yet it is impossible to be exacting when dealing with influence in the structure of the human mind and its ingenuity. Why play safe and categorically say that within a certain group of people, only this permutation of ideas can be created, deemed to be of only so much worth? Why is it that 4-5 ideas so similar mean less? Perhaps that is an indication of an idea holding more weight that 4-5 answers of vastly different properties? WHY BE SO EXACTING?"
"So the higher an IQ score the better quality of life someone can have?"
You're asking the wrong question here. The question is not worth, or quality of life, but ability to do things, including logical analysis and action.
"There is no need for an intelligent answer here because no matter how a person scores on a HUMAN test administered to measure PERCEIVED intelligence, to negate free choice in the destiny of any individual is to deny what is essentially human: some may be provided with a natural advantage, but it is to the individual to use that in a way that prospers. A 105 could lead a much more fulfilling life than a 125 if the 125 makes choices that do not fit with the normative being of society."
The classic individualist argument reveals itself to be the cornerstone of your belief.
An IQ test doesn't measure intelligence, but intelligence potential -- the physical wiring necessary to have intelligent perceptions.
"Fulfilling" sounds to me like something I'd hear on Rachel Ray. I'm not interested in the emo view of the world, but how practical things are, because if you analyze life, practicality leads to ability which leads to better life -- and life of a better nature.
Most people do what, exactly that's so great? Yes, and they think that's fulfilling, too. Fulfilling is a subjective assessment, so a moron eating poo will think his life is fulfilling also.
"Someone being in error does account to discourse. While perhaps a bit cheeky for argumentative purposes, it is impossible to grasp the most normative behaviors without studying their most deviant possibilities. "
One can study them in theory without having to have a model present. I don't need to actually see a man fjucking a horse to know his anus will become dislocated and he'll die at a Seattle-area hospital.
"Your points about confederation are simply personal taste, and favor nothing of reality. Your point of inconsistent leadership is laughable, as having 13 states within a single nation with as much power as you propose would lead to 13 individual voices of (hopefully) equal power and might?"
I don't think we're communicating effectively on the nature of confederations. Confederations include a federation, but not all powers are distributed to it; for example, it might decide war and commerce, but not whether drugs are legal in an individual state.
If you want to know something interesting on this front, it's that in the 1980s, when Texas was quite conservative, it was actually one of the few places legal drugs might have occurred. Reasoning: honest, rural conservatives tend to view drugs as an insoluble problem and not throw money after it, figuring that if people make the choice and live, nature has blessed them, and if not, well, we leave weak calves closest to the rain for natural selection.
"a perceived 'universal' definition of a word does not exist! " -- yes, that was my point; you don't need to define the WORD but the PATTERN in REALITY.
"Your incredulous attitude toward my want for differing views is just too shortsighted:" -- It's a practical response to awareness of the fact that those different views (a) aren't different, falling into general categories and offering nothing new and (b) don't amount to much. Society's best efforts come from individuals and small groups laboring with purpose, where "support all different arguments" doesn't reward this. For analytical purposes, it's dysgenic.
" I just do not see how your ideas of separatism could at all benefit our way of life: you must realize no matter how we try only a fraction of the population could even participate in the argument we're having." -- only a fraction of the population can be brain surgeons, but we need those too.
For the record, I don't care who is a Marxist or neo-Marxist or neo-Nazi: logic trumps all political allegiances. However, the flaw of Marxism is its Hegelian emphasis on "Progress."
I think if you want "unforced posts" you will need to look at what is being said above and address it. I do not think we are communicating on some of the more crucial issues.
[Sep 1,2008 9:32am - Josh_Martin ""]
Conservationist said:NRA member: I support the right to keep and bear arms, so I can kill ghetto dwellers and delusional Crowdists alike.
Anyone else think if this dude actually saw a real nigger he'd run screaming back to his parents basement with shit running down his pant leg?
Yeah, I'm sure you kill lots and lots of people.
[Sep 1,2008 9:32am - Josh_Martin ""]
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[Sep 1,2008 9:32am - Josh_Martin ""]
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[Sep 1,2008 11:26am - Conservationist ""]
Josh_Martin said:Anyone else think if this dude actually saw a real nigger he'd run screaming back to his parents basement with shit running down his pant leg?
Yeah, I'm sure you kill lots and lots of people.
Didn't claim that I do kill lots and lots of people.
However, we have a hurricane coming today.
This city has never had riots like NOLA (I wonder why) but were there an anarchic situation, I would defend my family.
I like having the ability to do that. Don't you?
[Sep 1,2008 11:37am - MASlayer ""]
Amazing how many look a like pics of her people were able to find
[Sep 1,2008 11:45am - the_reverend ""]
she's an attention whore... duh...
I bet someone scrubbed her myspace too.
[Sep 1,2008 11:51am - zyklon ""]
Conservationist said:
Josh_Martin said:Anyone else think if this dude actually saw a real nigger he'd run screaming back to his parents basement with shit running down his pant leg?
Yeah, I'm sure you kill lots and lots of people.
Didn't claim that I do kill lots and lots of people.
However, we have a hurricane coming today.
This city has never had riots like NOLA (I wonder why) but were there an anarchic situation, I would defend my family.
I like having the ability to do that. Don't you?
You mean New Orleans has a hurricane coming not US. Dude you're too fucking paranoid. don't worry there won't be any riots if that's what you hoping for.......
[Sep 1,2008 12:03pm - DomesticTerror ""]
no, he means "we" as in Alabama, where he lives.
[Sep 1,2008 12:10pm - zyklon ""]
Alabama huh, fuck i had no idea
[Sep 1,2008 12:11pm - the_reverend ""]
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alabama? he's from texas.
[Sep 1,2008 12:21pm - DomesticTerror ""]
that's what i thought, but his myspace says AL.
[Sep 1,2008 12:22pm - MASlayer ""]
the_reverend said:she's an attention whore... duh...
I bet someone scrubbed her myspace too.
What does this have to do with the look a likes of her on the board??
[Sep 1,2008 12:25pm - the_reverend ""]
oh the look-a-likes... um.. all white people look the same
[Sep 1,2008 12:36pm - Josh_Martin ""]
Conservationist said:NRA member: I support the right to keep and bear arms, so I can kill ghetto dwellers and delusional Crowdists alike.
Conservationist said:Didn't claim that I do kill lots and lots of people.
ok
[Sep 1,2008 12:36pm - Josh_Martin ""]
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[Sep 1,2008 12:38pm - SkinSandwich ""]
I guess this VP whores daughter who is 17, is prego.
[Sep 1,2008 12:53pm - Josh_Martin ""]
SkinSandwich said:I guess this VP whores daughter who is 17, is prego.
The fact she's a christian wacko makes this all the more funny.
[Sep 1,2008 12:53pm - Josh_Martin ""]
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[Sep 1,2008 12:53pm - Josh_Martin ""]
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[Sep 1,2008 2:21pm - pam ""]
nevermind!
[Sep 1,2008 2:23pm - pam ""]
She being touted as experienced in foreign policy because "Alaska is next to Russia", too by Faux News and Cindy McCain. Hilarious.
[Sep 1,2008 2:24pm - the_reverend ""]
way to verbatim quote the img i posted above pam
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[Sep 1,2008 2:26pm - pam ""]
Sorry, I keep my images off. My bad.
[Sep 1,2008 2:31pm - pam ""]
Ooooh I just saw that the daughter is knocked now...lol. Hilarious.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/01/po...litics/horserace/entry4404184.shtml
[Sep 1,2008 3:20pm - n0debliwith ""]
Josh_Martin said:
Conservationist said:NRA member: I support the right to keep and bear arms, so I can kill ghetto dwellers and delusional Crowdists alike.
Conservationist said:Didn't claim that I do kill lots and lots of people.
ok
He said "so I can" - not that he does.
[Sep 1,2008 3:21pm - the_reverend ""]
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[Sep 1,2008 3:27pm - Josh_Martin ""]
n0debliwith said:
Josh_Martin said:
Conservationist said:NRA member: I support the right to keep and bear arms, so I can kill ghetto dwellers and delusional Crowdists alike.
Conservationist said:Didn't claim that I do kill lots and lots of people.
ok
He said "so I can" - not that he does.
Semantics aside, the impression given was that if some nignog came onto his property he would blast it. I think the reality would be of a more run and hide variety.
[Sep 1,2008 3:27pm - Josh_Martin ""]
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[Sep 1,2008 3:27pm - Josh_Martin ""]
rev you have got to fix this gay double and triple posting.
[Sep 1,2008 3:47pm - Conservationist ""]
Jeffrey Carreras is staying for more practical reasons. His Garden District restaurant, Parasol's, was looted after he evacuated for Katrina.
"I have shotguns, rifles - I collect guns actually," he said. "So I have plenty of guns in there, plenty on ammo."
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Hattie Callan, 36, weaved her way down the street Sunday, a vodka drink already in her hand and it only 9:20 in the morning. She was staying behind to watch over several houses, and she wasn't worried.
"I've got liquor, cash, food, ammo and weed," she said as she floated out of sight.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GUSTAV_LEFT_BEHIND?SITE=AP
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[Sep 1,2008 5:17pm - Dankill ""]
pam said:Ooooh I just saw that the daughter is knocked now...lol. Hilarious.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/01/politics/horserace/entry4404184.shtml
Now she's about as big a whore as Obama's mom, who did the same damn thing.
[Sep 1,2008 7:28pm - pam ""]
Dankill said:
pam said:Ooooh I just saw that the daughter is knocked now...lol. Hilarious.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/01/politics/horserace/entry4404184.shtml
Now she's about as big a whore as Obama's mom, who did the same damn thing.
Hey asshole. I had my daughter at 17. I was saying it was hilarious because her mother wants all forms of birth control banned and touts her perfect family moral family values bullshit like a fucking badge. And because the right wing just couldn't shut up about Britney Spears' sister and what an example of the downfall of America pregnant teens are...NOT because a grown ass girl got pregnant with her boyfriend's kid.
:middlefinger:
[Sep 1,2008 7:38pm - the_reverend ""]
she's like the anti-hillary canidate.
[Sep 1,2008 7:41pm - pam ""]
the_reverend said:she's like the anti-hillary canidate.
She is, but it doesn't matter. The retards taking their ball and going home because Obama won will probably still vote for her.
[Sep 1,2008 7:46pm - the_reverend ""]
if mccain wins I will have less respect for this country than when bush won 2nd time.
[Sep 1,2008 8:07pm - mortalis ""]
the_reverend said:if mccain wins I will have less respect for this country than when bush won 2nd time.
it's almost laughable that mccain might win after the past 8 years. bush has a record low approval rating, so...we'll elect someone who voted with him 90% of the time? really? all you can do is laugh.
[Sep 1,2008 9:08pm - Dankill ""]
pam said:
Dankill said:
pam said:Ooooh I just saw that the daughter is knocked now...lol. Hilarious.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/01/politics/horserace/entry4404184.shtml
Now she's about as big a whore as Obama's mom, who did the same damn thing.
Hey asshole. I had my daughter at 17. I was saying it was hilarious because her mother wants all forms of birth control banned and touts her perfect family moral family values bullshit like a fucking badge. And because the right wing just couldn't shut up about Britney Spears' sister and what an example of the downfall of America pregnant teens are...NOT because a grown ass girl got pregnant with her boyfriend's kid.
:middlefinger:
Pam, that wasn't to bash on either, or you for that matter. My sarcastic humor didn't carry here. My point was to point out the hypocrisy of people who would trash this girl yet don't see the irony with how she is in pretty much the same situation as Obama's own mother was. Which is probably why he'd also want to keep far away from any attacks towards Palin's daughter. Plus, I don't assume it's just the right wing that would have a shitfit about Britney Spears's sister. As far as I'm concerned, it's dumb people in general. I'm sure there were also plenty of libs that would also look down their noses at her as white trash who yet somehow impacts the lives of a lot of kids. It's crap either way. Palin can believe what she wants. I just don't see the fear yet of woman's reproductive rights going out the window like everyone has been screaming about for years now. Weren't they supposed to have been burned to the ground somewhere in the past eight years, right along with the draft coming back?
You can hold up a value as being perfect. The problem is people are not perfect. Hence why I don't care what your values are, you will make mistakes and you will fuck up. I just don't see anything to show that she was truly so arrogant to have placed herself on a pedestal and claim herself as superior to anyone, no more then anyone else that believes what she does, or any other religious person. I have seen those who do, including jews and muslims, from personal experence. If she did, she pays for it by ignoring the tenets of humility that are taught as an actual principle of christians, to her own folly. If she didn't, then she's just as much a victim as if you had people who would say, based on your personal experience, that not only are you a mess because you had a kid out of wedlock at 17, but that your parents are as well and that if they had any form of moral code, religious or not, that they should be condemned for it because they turned out to be "below it". I'd see it as just as cruel and wrong.
[Sep 1,2008 9:30pm - the_reverend ""]
how the fuck did her daughter find the only black dude in alaska?
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[Sep 1,2008 9:30pm - the_reverend ""]
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[Sep 1,2008 9:33pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
hahahahaha fucking awesome
[Sep 1,2008 9:55pm - Dankill ""]
the_reverend said:how the fuck did her daughter find the only black dude in alaska?
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Holy crap, now she really IS like Obama's mom.
[Sep 1,2008 10:19pm - Conservationist ""]
Dankill said:Hence why I don't care what your values are, you will make mistakes and you will fuck up. I just don't see anything to show that she was truly so arrogant to have placed herself on a pedestal and claim herself as superior to anyone, no more then anyone else that believes what she does, or any other religious person.
Misinformed people like to conflate "taking a stand that isn't popular" with some form of humility violation.
The Crowd(tm) hates humility violations.
[Sep 1,2008 10:21pm - Conservationist ""]
pam said:I was saying it was hilarious because her mother wants all forms of birth control banned and touts her perfect family moral family values bullshit like a fucking badge.
So if your kid screws up, it was because you were a hypocrite?
[Sep 1,2008 10:37pm - Murph ""]
Conservationist said:
pam said:I was saying it was hilarious because her mother wants all forms of birth control banned and touts her perfect family moral family values bullshit like a fucking badge.
So if your kid screws up, it was because you were a hypocrite?
Really, it doesn't matter much to me, but if you're about to tote policies that enforce a "Christian" sense of lifestyle, having your unwed teenage daughter be pregnant is not exactly the best PR. In a liberal sense it could be an application for 'incredible' family strength and devotion to 'progressive' parenting, however, in Palin's case it's a blemish. She's not being hypocritical because her daughter made a choice outside of her supposed rearing, but rather her daughter made a choice that does not coincide with her beliefs. Most of the time that wouldn't matter, unless the person promulgating such beliefs is allowing them to consciously affect one of the largest political arenas in the world.
Palin should come under criticism here not because of her daughter's pregnancy, but because that pregnancy invalidates her platform, ie strong 'moral' education SHOULD lead to 'better' sexual, hence pre-parental choice.
There's no need to be linear in our thinking here: it's not Palin's deal her daughter is pregnant, her daughter fucked the guy. It is a reminder, however, that people make choices and to be so doctrinal about such decisions is novelty. Shit happens, why not be liberal in such a sense and make things easier, not harder.
[Sep 1,2008 10:47pm - brian_dc ""]
All political discourse aside, what are Alaskan teenagers supposed to do other than fuck each other raw?
[Sep 1,2008 10:51pm - Murph ""]
brian_dc said:All political discourse aside, what are Alaskan teenagers supposed to do other than fuck each other raw?
No lie, this is the first image that appeared on google images when searching 'Alaskan teenagers.'
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[Sep 1,2008 10:55pm - brian_dc ""]
I just got SERVED
[Sep 1,2008 11:43pm - Conservationist ""]
Murph said:Really, it doesn't matter much to me, but if you're about to tote policies that enforce a "Christian" sense of lifestyle, having your unwed teenage daughter be pregnant is not exactly the best PR.
This policy of yours rewards those who have the lowest standards, doesn't it?
[Sep 1,2008 11:50pm - Murph ""]
Conservationist said:
Murph said:Really, it doesn't matter much to me, but if you're about to tote policies that enforce a "Christian" sense of lifestyle, having your unwed teenage daughter be pregnant is not exactly the best PR.
This policy of yours rewards those who have the lowest standards, doesn't it?
No policy of mine.
In fact, I was glossing the fact that to most streamlined Christians, having a candidate they relate to whose somewhat young, wholly unmarried daughter is pregnant might not be the best PR.
Who knows, Palin might end up being an amazing VP should she win, and perhaps even a competent and definitely a historic and aesthetic President should McCain succumb to the grave. I just think it's a tough game, and for someone who was so recently nominated it is perhaps not the best news/publicity.
You and your perception of 'low standards.' Your introspection must be quite limiting.
[Sep 1,2008 11:56pm - Hungtableed ""]
Politics & Political Parties = Gangs & Gang Colors.
They're all fags...they're all power hungry whores.
[Sep 1,2008 11:57pm - Hungtableed ""]
...wear it on your sleeve...EVERYONE WILL LIKE YOU
[Sep 2,2008 12:01am - Murph ""]
Hungtableed said:...wear it on your sleeve...EVERYONE WILL LIKE YOU
For someone who wants to give the country 'back' to natives, you should take a look at the indigenous tribes of New Guinea.
These people are some of the most independent in the world, and are also some of the most violent and haranguing of anything outside of their own.
Really, it doesn't matter how centralized the power becomes, the band lifestyle pervades because, as our Conservationist pointed out, there is not a lot of innovation in the human race.
[Sep 2,2008 12:17am - Conservationist ""]
Hungtableed said:...wear it on your sleeve...EVERYONE WILL LIKE YOU
People prefer Pleasant Illusions to Difficult Realities... that's for sure.
Saying "I am a Democrat" or "I am a liberal" (etc) is far more people-pleasing than trying to explain fixes to a dying civilization.
[Sep 2,2008 3:13am - zyklon ""]
Hey reverend can you please delete this stupid thread? it's getting really old.....................................
[Sep 2,2008 8:38am - brian_dc ""]
actually, there are a couple of people legitimately debating in here. Without calling each other faggots and everything.
Thread stays, you go.
[Sep 2,2008 8:44am - Dankill ""]
Eskimos can move
Murph said:
Conservationist said:
pam said:I was saying it was hilarious because her mother wants all forms of birth control banned and touts her perfect family moral family values bullshit like a fucking badge.
So if your kid screws up, it was because you were a hypocrite?
Really, it doesn't matter much to me, but if you're about to tote policies that enforce a "Christian" sense of lifestyle, having your unwed teenage daughter be pregnant is not exactly the best PR. In a liberal sense it could be an application for 'incredible' family strength and devotion to 'progressive' parenting, however, in Palin's case it's a blemish. She's not being hypocritical because her daughter made a choice outside of her supposed rearing, but rather her daughter made a choice that does not coincide with her beliefs. Most of the time that wouldn't matter, unless the person promulgating such beliefs is allowing them to consciously affect one of the largest political arenas in the world.
Palin should come under criticism here not because of her daughter's pregnancy, but because that pregnancy invalidates her platform, ie strong 'moral' education SHOULD lead to 'better' sexual, hence pre-parental choice.
There's no need to be linear in our thinking here: it's not Palin's deal her daughter is pregnant, her daughter fucked the guy. It is a reminder, however, that people make choices and to be so doctrinal about such decisions is novelty. Shit happens, why not be liberal in such a sense and make things easier, not harder.
You're partly right. The real thing to determine if she really blew it would be what she did once she got knocked up. If Palin tried to sweep it under the rug and let her daughter get an abortion, THEN she would be a hypocrite all day long, going against everything she holds up as her personal beliefs. But because the daughter is having the kid AND marrying the father, you're seeing the religious groups praising it because they consider that the right thing to do on both counts.
I honestly don't know how much this is gonna hurt McCain/Palin, if at all. I mean, Chaney has a gay daughter who not long ago had a baby of her own with her partner and that didn't stop him keeping his job.
[Sep 2,2008 9:02am - Dankill ""]
BTW
UPDATE!
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/r...lins_pregnancy_was_an_open_sec.html
That's dad.
[Sep 2,2008 9:14am - brian_dc ""]
looks like a real thumbhead
[Sep 2,2008 9:21am - SkinSandwich ""]
Looks about as smart as a box of hammers.
[Sep 2,2008 9:38am - Conservationist ""]
Dankill said:I mean, Chaney has a gay daughter who not long ago had a baby of her own with her partner and that didn't stop him keeping his job.
Generally, conservatives are less critical of screwups by politicians and more critical of a lack of taking a stand. If you hold yourself to what you view as a higher standard, you recognize there are going to be failings; conservatives perceive liberals hold themselves to a lower standard because they are afraid of screwing up.
Liberals tend to believe that government has a greater influence on the individual, where conservatives tend to see government as demographics. It's an entirely different view.
Of course, there are some, including author Tom Wolfe, who refer to liberalism as "a fashion" and I think there's some sense in this: it is more socially-driven than conservatism. If political views were college courses, liberalism would be black studies or literature; conservatism would be engineering or computer science.
I think liberalism will always be popular, but not among those who make their own way, because it does have some reality-denying aspects. Many Americans do not like the idea of government being literally in their lives, or regulating what is positive behavior instead of simply banning the biggest negative behaviors. Further, many people are wondering what the successes of liberalism are. We still have the same problems it claimed to address, and many of its greatest successes, like child labor laws, were penned by people who today would be considered conservatives.
There are of course fringe groups on both sides. On the left, there are the race cult lunatics and mainstream anarchists, and on the right, we have various groups who make issues like abortion seem more important than issues like national defense. These are relatively small groups but politicians continue to pander to them, mainly because these politicians have no discernible platform other than conformity to how the system works with some conservative or liberal flavor. Obama, I am looking at you here...
Left and right join in some interesting movements. Comunitarianism/localism. Anarcho-primitivism, traditionalism. And their oldest convergence, National Socialism.
[Sep 2,2008 10:30am - orgymf@work ""]
Conservationist said:
orgymf@work said:both candidates suck.
everyone should have backed Ron Paul
no more I.R.S.
Closed Borders
No Federal Reserve
Back To The Gold Standard
No More Birthright Citizenship.
End Affirmative Action + HUD and it's a deal.
i think he was behind those ideas as well....but didn't say it in public because people already accused him of being a racist for wanting to crack down on open borders/illegal immigration...
you know how those dipshits in the liberal media love to twist shit around.
[Sep 2,2008 11:09am - zyklon ""]
brian_dc said:actually, there are a couple of people legitimately debating in here. Without calling each other faggots and everything.
Thread stays, you go.
I say it goes
[Sep 2,2008 11:11am - brian_dc ""]
make your case for why it should go
[Sep 2,2008 11:15am - zyklon ""]
OK the thread stays
[Sep 2,2008 11:16am - Conservationist ""]
orgymf@work said:i think he was behind those ideas as well....but didn't say it in public because people already accused him of being a racist for wanting to crack down on open borders/illegal immigration...
you know how those dipshits in the liberal media love to twist shit around.
This is probably true.
I think a lot of people, black and white, want HUD and Affirmative Action to end.
For successful black people, the ghetto is an embarassment and a constant threat -- they don't want their kids dating Those People either.
[Sep 2,2008 11:19am - zyklon ""]
Dude not everyone living in the ghetto is a fucking criminal
[Sep 2,2008 11:31am - Conservationist ""]
I agree, but they're also not making it out of the ghetto except in a very, very small number of cases.
[Sep 2,2008 2:55pm - READ ""]
I heard before they started talking how she is pregnant that palin's new born was actually her daughters kid. Here come the lies already. Maybe their plane will hit a mountain.
[Sep 2,2008 2:57pm - brian_dc ""]
conspiracy theory based on a teenager having some tub to her
[Sep 2,2008 3:06pm - READ ""]
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-69834
[Sep 2,2008 3:07pm - brian_dc ""]
yeah, yeah. seen it. ridiculous
[Sep 2,2008 3:22pm - READ ""]
I don't know if i believe it. Some of the stuff with he missing school with mono for like 8 months is pretty weird though
[Sep 2,2008 3:58pm - MASlayer ""]
what happened to the look a like pics of her? Really that's the only thing that made this thread interesting...
[Sep 2,2008 4:55pm - the_reverend ""]
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[Sep 2,2008 4:56pm - the_reverend ""]
I <3 the internet >
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[Sep 2,2008 4:57pm - the_reverend ""]
Q: Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
The phrase was added in 1954.
[Sep 2,2008 4:58pm - brian_dc ""]
heh
[Sep 3,2008 10:57am - Conservationist ""]
I think she's referring to the use of attributions to the Creator, God, etc. in public discourse:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/hagan113005.htm
Many of us would rather it go.
[Sep 3,2008 11:49am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
HAHAHA ICY HOT STUNTAZ!!!!
[Sep 3,2008 12:47pm - Yeti ""]
Conservationist said:And their oldest convergence, National Socialism.
say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism dude, at least its an ethos.
[Sep 3,2008 2:22pm - Conservationist ""]
cool mustaches++
[Sep 3,2008 3:34pm - largefreakatzero ""]
the_reverend said:I <3 the internet >
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I would only hope this photo opportunity was followed by the dumb broad with the gun shooting the 2 retards then taking her own life. Why are these people alive...
[Sep 3,2008 5:57pm - Conservationist ""]
Because EVERYONE IS EQUAL and they have a RIGHT TO LIFE.
lol
[Sep 3,2008 6:02pm - READ ""]
so who here is voting mccain?
[Sep 3,2008 7:28pm - Conservationist ""]
Voting Paul or Kucinich here. Fuck 'em!
[Sep 3,2008 7:40pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
vote with a bullet
[Sep 3,2008 8:03pm - ellesarusrex ""]
all of alaskan politicians are corrupt scumbags and im sick of hearing about this bitches desperate housewives pregnancy scandal and her 17 yr old daughter whoring out retarded children.
[Sep 3,2008 9:10pm - mortalis ""]
bennyhillifier
lol
[Sep 3,2008 10:18pm - ellesarusrex ""]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA stoked on that
[Sep 3,2008 11:46pm - the_reverend ""]
way to embed.
I'm voting viccodin.
[Sep 4,2008 8:05am - thuringwethil ""]
anyone hear her speech at the RNC?
pass.
[Sep 4,2008 8:19am - Mycroft ""]
zyklon said:I fucking hate her now, she's a hunter.......
YO WHAT U GOT AGAINST HUNTERS! i've been upland bird and waterfowl hunting since i was a tot. Grew up with labs but own a deutsch drahthaar (bad ass german dog) and I'm a :gun: nut and into thrash. i thought there were a few bird huntin' guys on here!
anyway this dame is a MILF everyone says but I don't see that. Maybe...
[Sep 4,2008 8:39am - oscarct ""]
thuringwethil said:anyone hear her speech at the RNC?
pass.
not interested in anything she or mccain have to say. I was getting a semi watching it thouygh
[Sep 4,2008 9:26am - largefreakatzero ""]
Mycroft said:
zyklon said:I fucking hate her now, she's a hunter.......
YO WHAT U GOT AGAINST HUNTERS! i've been upland bird and waterfowl hunting since i was a tot. Grew up with labs but own a deutsch drahthaar (bad ass german dog) and I'm a :gun: nut and into thrash. i thought there were a few bird huntin' guys on here!
anyway this dame is a MILF everyone says but I don't see that. Maybe...
This kid hates hunters. He posted some bullshit in one of my threads too.
I hate Palin, but not because she's a hunter, because she's a right-to-life Christian freak.
[Sep 4,2008 9:27am - largefreakatzero ""]
thuringwethil said:anyone hear her speech at the RNC?
pass.
RNC = Biggest. Collection. of Creeps. Ever.
Fuck all these clowns, I'm voting for Barr.
[Sep 4,2008 9:27am - oscarct ""]
no more abortion
[Sep 4,2008 12:39pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
worst speech ever. her voice is annoying and all she did was talk about her stupid family followed by a barage of anti-obama retoric (sp?). Not one mention about the republican agenda or how they are planning to fix this countries screwed up economy.
[Sep 4,2008 1:12pm - Conservationist ""]
largefreakatzero said:I hate Palin, but not because she's a hunter, because she's a right-to-life Christian freak.
It would be a shame if trivial issues like abortion and drugs defined a political future that is much broader.
[Sep 4,2008 1:16pm - anonymous ""]
not trivial if you, like half the population, happen to have a uterus
[Sep 4,2008 1:20pm - READ ""]
I wouldnt trust her as vice president or president if something were to happen to mccain. I also wouldnt trust her to make me fucking lunch. This Lady is the devil in womens clothing. All she did was talk shit in a demeaning way that made me want to watch her hang herself on stage. If they get in office I want to find who voted for them and GAS those people.
[Sep 4,2008 1:30pm - Conservationist ""]
anonymous said:not trivial if you, like half the population, happen to have a uterus
No, trivial.
If the country fucks up in direction, you pay a bigger price.
Yes, it'd be nice, but in the meantime, you try not to fuck up and get pregnant. If you do, off to Mexico. Oh well.
It'd be nice to have legal drugs, too, but it's not an issue that should DECIDE THE FUTURE OF THE WHOLE COUNTRY, don't you think?
[Sep 4,2008 6:25pm - the_reverend ""]
some how the "best and brightest" loved her speech. proving once again that they are neither.
[Sep 4,2008 7:54pm - Hoser ""]
It was a great speech, sorry nerds. And Rudy's stab at Biden was hilarious.
And to the anti-hunter....you can be responsible for cleaning up the bodies of all of the animals that would die of starvation and CWD if it weren't for ethical hunting in this country.
Hunters do more for conservation than every anti-hunting group in this country COMBINED.
[Sep 4,2008 7:57pm - the_reverend ""]
Hoser said:It was a great speech, sorry nerds.Proving once again that hoser is neither the best nor the brightest.
Unless her speech was "time for this boat anchor to cook some dinner" she lost.
[Sep 4,2008 8:07pm - thuringwethil ""]
Her speech had well delivered theatrics, I just happen to disagree with the radical religious right wing. They want to take all of your freedom away. Metal included.
[Sep 4,2008 8:08pm - thuringwethil ""]
If she becomes president I'm crawling under a boulder.
[Sep 4,2008 8:11pm - the_reverend ""]
she might make sure that something lives in your virginer, but she won't tax it.
[Sep 4,2008 8:14pm - the_reverend ""]
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[Sep 4,2008 8:44pm - mortalis ""]
she energized the base, sure, but i'd be surprised if she brings over any undecided voters with her words. more jingoistic, nationalistic bullshit from the fringe right. i like how kerry took the wind out of those attacks with his remarks on patriotism in his speech, but he didn't have a speech according to the media.
and why the fuck do people want an average joe like themselves to have the hardest job in the country/world? i want my president to be elite, to be better than me.
[Sep 4,2008 8:49pm - Hoser ""]
thuringwethil said:Her speech had well delivered theatrics, I just happen to disagree with the radical religious right wing. They want to take all of your freedom away. Metal included.
Let's not forget Tipper Gore, nerds.
[Sep 4,2008 8:50pm - Hoser ""]
That's what I love about you Dems....you hear only what you want to hear, and forget only what you want to forget. I get a kick outta you guys!!! *lightly punches Dem pal on shoulder*
[Sep 4,2008 9:15pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
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I tell you hwhattt thats the damn truth right there :duffbeer:
[Sep 4,2008 9:28pm - the_reverend ""]
It will be hilarious when one of her daughters fuck a black dude and they sweep the abortion under the table.
[Sep 4,2008 9:56pm - Conservationist ""]
thuringwethil said:Her speech had well delivered theatrics, I just happen to disagree with the radical religious right wing. They want to take all of your freedom away. Metal included.
And the left wing doesn't?
Ruby Ridge and Waco.
[Sep 4,2008 10:04pm - nick327 ""]
Metal (or whatever art form is the target this week) will always be attacked by both parties to gain political favor with the "protect the children" crowd. This is NOT a problem with only the right wing.
In the end, nothing ever comes of it, nothing ever will. Your freedom to listen to any type of music isn't in any danger in this country.
[Sep 4,2008 10:21pm - the_reverend ""]
tell that to a child rape rapcore band.
[Sep 4,2008 11:44pm - Dankill ""]
No one likes metal
We need a strictly pro-Metal party.
[Sep 5,2008 12:42am - pam ""]
Murph said:
Conservationist said:
pam said:I was saying it was hilarious because her mother wants all forms of birth control banned and touts her perfect family moral family values bullshit like a fucking badge.
So if your kid screws up, it was because you were a hypocrite?
Really, it doesn't matter much to me, but if you're about to tote policies that enforce a "Christian" sense of lifestyle, having your unwed teenage daughter be pregnant is not exactly the best PR. In a liberal sense it could be an application for 'incredible' family strength and devotion to 'progressive' parenting, however, in Palin's case it's a blemish. She's not being hypocritical because her daughter made a choice outside of her supposed rearing, but rather her daughter made a choice that does not coincide with her beliefs. Most of the time that wouldn't matter, unless the person promulgating such beliefs is allowing them to consciously affect one of the largest political arenas in the world.
Palin should come under criticism here not because of her daughter's pregnancy, but because that pregnancy invalidates her platform, ie strong 'moral' education SHOULD lead to 'better' sexual, hence pre-parental choice.
There's no need to be linear in our thinking here: it's not Palin's deal her daughter is pregnant, her daughter fucked the guy. It is a reminder, however, that people make choices and to be so doctrinal about such decisions is novelty. Shit happens, why not be liberal in such a sense and make things easier, not harder.
Exactly. Beautifully put.
[Sep 5,2008 1:32am - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""]
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[Sep 5,2008 1:52am - Hungtableed ""]
Murph said:
Conservationist said:
Murph said:
Conservationist said:
Minds are mostly deterministic; see THE BLANK SLATE by STEVEN PINKER. You are your abilities, and those determine most of your outlook.
Further, I'm aware that for most situations, there is one good approach with some variations; anything else is pretense.
For this reason, I see that people are inherently divided by their degree of realism and that for the most part, it is inherent.
I am not speaking of states superceding Federal law, as one might have to do in order to secede from the nation.
I am speaking of states' rights applying in scope, so that certain laws (abortion, gun control, drugs, etc) could be seen as within the realm of the state and not the federation.
This was how America was originally designed, 1776-1789, and it works best when there is no consensus and there's unlikely to be one.
(Not to split hairs, but this is actually a separate issue from ethnonationalism. The reasons for ethnonationalism are many; I'm talking here about the divisions within the electorate as a whole, and I believe it would also apply to an all-white or all-black electorate in America, and so on. The word PARASITE is not used to refer to a specific genetic group, just people who behave like parasites. I think we all know them and realize they are not limited to any one ethnic group, although some will argue they occur in different percentages in different ethnic groups; my argument is that PARASITISM occurs as a psychology and that nations are healthier without much of it.)
I will look into the book by Pinker, but to say 'You are your abilities' is not fact, but thesis, as ranging someone's abilities is a matter of outside perspective, not introspection. My point was not against the realm of causation, but rather that the combination of more possible outlooks serves to allow the construction of ideas, and the synthesis of those ideas (such as the formulas we are using to create this argument, and the materials used to create opinions).
Determinism is a doctrine, not some infallible principle. I think it is safe to say anomalies exist, as you open up to by stating that one's abilities determine MOST of a person's outlook. Another part of a person's outlook is their rearing, another instance in life where a certain type of childhood does not always produce the expected product. Perhaps here I could inject a bit of breadth and social responsibility into your point of there being usually 'one good approach' with some variations' when confronting an issue. Even if your point is true, those making the decisions, along with their consideration of those the decisions affect are the basic tenets of human interaction and responsibility. Here is where the theory of determinism holds ground, as the causes to all human issues does in some way affect all humans, no matter how miniscule it might be.
I agree people are divided by their different sense of what is real, however, Zilboorg points out 'The sense of reality is not the static result of a certain psychological developmental process but is fluid and changeable.' If it was not, people would not have a sense of idealism, which affects one's choices (in my case, one might say a sense of 'nostalgic escapism.') Differing senses of realism in society push forward new ideas, new modes, and drive forms of expression. Even if our sense of reality is inherent, isn't it possible the admiration or condemnation of someone else's might affect our own?
To put it flatly, our sense of the 'state' is not the same as it was when the country was formed. These states were instrumental in serving one goal (albeit somewhat sub-conciously) which was to bring forth differing ideals, and through the interaction of this multinational congregation, we formed a federation to serve each person equally. The state is a conduit of the federation, not an undermining body. The United States is an experiment in breaking the barriers that you for some reason feel so akin to, which are band/tribal in theme.
America lived from 1776-1787 under the Articles of Confederation. Let's be realistic, they were too weak. The reason? Their divisiveness.
To say parasites are found less in conservative areas is to state that conservatism usually isn't a parasite itself. It is subjective. We are all dregs in our own way. As you stated before, people are divided due to their sense of realism, which here would place the function of parasite to mean something to you, and something else to another. If we are surrounding ourselves with only those akin to us, WE WILL DIE OUT. It is the ability to see our opposite and live with it that strengthens our own perceptions.
Satre pined to create his Existentialist credo as the answer to many of the 'extreme issues' Marxism, through its tenets of materialism and determinism, could not. Yet, as we progress through the works, we see that Existenialism at its reduction was a 'parasite' of Marxism. Interesting.
sprinkle some fries on those CUPCAKES.
All facts are theses, by this definition, because undiscovered correlative facts could change their meanings
" the combination of more possible outlooks serves to allow the construction of ideas" -- yet you assume each of those are distinct ideas, and that they are not self-serving. Are humans not on the whole self-serving? And of 10,000 men, do you not find four or five ideas repeated in different form?
Determinism is a doctrine, but so is its opposite. And if we admit that both predetermined capabilities (nature) and learned capabilities (nurture) influence a person, cannot we reverse your argument and say that there is no proof anomalies are only anomalies, and that if most people follow the pattern of nature being MORE IMPORTANT THAN nurture, that it is the guiding principle here?
Name exceptions, if you would, otherwise... I sense fantasy on the wing, and recommend you read Pinker. First, intelligence is wholly heritable, barring negative events. It cannot be improved. With education it can be guided, but a 105 never outpaces a 125 on the IQ scale. So we can see the trend goes in one way but not the other.
"Zilboorg points out 'The sense of reality is not the static result of a certain psychological developmental process but is fluid and changeable.' If it was not, people would not have a sense of idealism" -- no agreement here whatsoever, as it does not account for people being hardwired toward that idealism, or that idealism being a compensative factor (cognitive dissonance). Differing senses of realism -- but there is one reality -- so you are saying that people being in error contributes somehow to discourse? Really? Only if one does not ever want to arrive at an answer, an event feared only by those who are afraid of what that answer means FOR THEM PERSONALLY.
As to your points about the division of states, consider this: right now, the country is vastly divided. No one side wins for long. Who loses? The people, as they have inconsistent leadership that spends more time infighting than addressing actual issues. A sign of a declining civilization... the original ideas of confederation, based on the 13 colonies, would free successful areas from obligation to other areas, and vice versa. It would be no more divisive than now because the opinions of individuals would remain the same, so would the division in society.
"To say parasites are found less in conservative areas is to state that conservatism usually isn't a parasite itself. It is subjective. We are all dregs in our own way. As you stated before, people are divided due to their sense of realism, which here would place the function of parasite to mean something to you, and something else to another. " -- ah, a semantic argument! To say the word parasite means one thing to someone, and another to something else, does not change the DEFINITION OF PARASITE, only the term used to refer to it. We can play word games all day long.
Why do conservative areas have fewer parasites? Because they are less concerned with inequality, and so do not support as many parasites. Compare the midwest to the coasts.
"If we are surrounding ourselves with only those akin to us, WE WILL DIE OUT. It is the ability to see our opposite and live with it that strengthens our own perceptions." -- this doesn't follow. If we are surrounded by those near us, AND WE ARE REALISTIC, we have no need for these partially realistic delusional perspectives you speak so highly of.
Marxism is a distillation of Hegelianism, or the idea that through conflict we arrive at a higher form of socialization. Well, let's see... planet in ruins, still constant conflict, nuclear proliferation, pollution, less literacy and more people... I think Hegelianism has failed. Other than our technology, are we better off or worse off than in the past?
We will die out, I'd argue, if we cannot find reality and agree on it, which does not mean that every perspective can be considered equally.
This has been your most forced post yet.
Intelligence may be inheritable, but to strip away the potential for advancement for a single mind at any time is a waste of what it is to be human, which, barring INJURY OR DISEASE is a constant POTENTIAL for growth. It might seem fitting to be cynical, but it is in no way close to reality. Some people born into considerably low-functioning, low-stimulus environments go on to live lives of incredible intellect and cognitive function. Your NATURE vs. NURTURE argument follows trend in situations most often when the standard of living in a particular area matches the education provided to those in the area ie. the ability to 'move up' correlates to the position deemed at birth or through economic status during the formative years. It is impossible to deem 'anomalies' just 'anomalies' because those anomalies produce the results that move the margins and shift perceived life expectancies past perceived limits. They are useful to actuaries, perhaps, but in real life, your hunches are just that: hunches.
I never consider that all ideas are constructive, yet it is impossible to be exacting when dealing with influence in the structure of the human mind and its ingenuity. Why play safe and categorically say that within a certain group of people, only this permutation of ideas can be created, deemed to be of only so much worth? Why is it that 4-5 ideas so similar mean less? Perhaps that is an indication of an idea holding more weight that 4-5 answers of vastly different properties? WHY BE SO EXACTING?
A 105 never outpaces a 125 on the scale? So the higher an IQ score the better quality of life someone can have? There is no need for an intelligent answer here because no matter how a person scores on a HUMAN test administered to measure PERCEIVED intelligence, to negate free choice in the destiny of any individual is to deny what is essentially human: some may be provided with a natural advantage, but it is to the individual to use that in a way that prospers. A 105 could lead a much more fulfilling life than a 125 if the 125 makes choices that do not fit with the normative being of society.
Someone being in error does account to discourse. While perhaps a bit cheeky for argumentative purposes, it is impossible to grasp the most normative behaviors without studying their most deviant possibilities. No single person's mind is able to comprehend all things in the most sound of ways, as the mathematics just weigh too heavy in the favor of error.
Your points about confederation are simply personal taste, and favor nothing of reality. Your point of inconsistent leadership is laughable, as having 13 states within a single nation with as much power as you propose would lead to 13 individual voices of (hopefully) equal power and might? Oh, that's right, some states who 'have it right' should not have to worry about those 'in the wrong.' There is no textbook that can solve the issues we have, which is why, as a united nation we use the platofrms of states to present problems which, as a whole, can be used to advance each state in its own way. WHERE'S THE FLEXIBILITY? And to be so wry as to say my parasitic point was a semantic argument means you've never studied a language outside of your native tongue: a perceived 'universal' definition of a word does not exist! In some biological cases a parasite can be something wholly negative or wholly necessary (japanese beetle vs. caituru fish). The definition of parasite is an arbitrary title: to place so much upon a perceived meaning is too rigid.
Also, I'm am neither a Marxist or neo-Marxist, so there is no need to fret. Your incredulous attitude toward my want for differing views is just too shortsighted: of course not every point-of-view holds the same weight, but that's not what I'm proposing. The fact is, there is not much we can do to affect the fact that no matter how streamlined and uniform our education system could possibly be, some people will believe and act just how the feel necessary, even in some cases completely in the face of convention and rationality. But we cannot cut those people off from ourselves. Discourse, now as much as ever before, keeps ourselves relevant. Every aspect of life, from humor to politics deals with cultural relevance. I just do not see how your ideas of separatism could at all benefit our way of life: you must realize no matter how we try only a fraction of the population could even participate in the argument we're having. There are only so many biological factors one can process in order to understand people until we being to realize that some people just choose to function at a certain level.
You guys really care that much?
[Sep 5,2008 1:53am - Hungtableed ""]
...Someone post more sh000ped nudes of this slut.
[Sep 5,2008 7:56am - thuringwethil ""]
Conservationist said:
thuringwethil said:Her speech had well delivered theatrics, I just happen to disagree with the radical religious right wing. They want to take all of your freedom away. Metal included.
And the left wing doesn't?
Ruby Ridge and Waco.
I don't wholly trust the left, either.
Either extreme is baaaaaaad news. I learned my lesson from my Dad (who turned out to be a spy during the Spanish Civil War)
AND from Orwell's parable "Animal Farm"
[Sep 5,2008 8:01am - thuringwethil ""]
Hoser said:That's what I love about you Dems....you hear only what you want to hear, and forget only what you want to forget. I get a kick outta you guys!!! *lightly punches Dem pal on shoulder*
that's a problem with ANYONE involved in politics. We're just a bunch of tribes. Everyone thinks their way is the only way.
Mind you, I'm not decrying it, I acknowledge our nature. Problem is we almost never DEBATE. oh well
this Presidential race is gonna be interesting at least :ralphie:
[Sep 5,2008 10:20am - Conservationist ""]
thuringwethil said:that's a problem with ANYONE involved in politics. We're just a bunch of tribes.
This is a fairly mature statement, in my view, and one that's taboo if you really look into what's being said, but one of the more realistic things said here.
I don't think any one tribe should subsidize another, and then the problem will be solved. Don't you?
http://www.anus.com/etc/texas
[Sep 5,2008 10:22am - Conservationist ""]
Hungtableed said:You guys really care that much?
What Murph and I have is special. You're just jealous.
LOL YES I care that much. Future of the country affects all of us indirectly but inevitably.
Future of humanity... well, fuck, who wouldn't rather be part of a succeeding species than one that's stagnant? Let's explore the stars, rape baby jesus, invent even better symphonies, have cooler wars, etc.
[Sep 5,2008 12:06pm - READ ""]
That waco shit was well deserved on that asshole David koresh. He was a fucking child molester piece of shit. Ruby ridge is a different story.
[Sep 5,2008 11:15pm - Conservationist ""]
Military force against civilians? Shoot first, then massacre?
Agreed on Ruby Ridge.
[Sep 6,2008 11:43am - the_reverend ""]
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[Sep 6,2008 1:00pm - thuringwethil ""]
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[Sep 6,2008 1:22pm - DaveFromTheGrave ""]
dreadkill said:obama is only half black. i wish he was an octaroon, because that's the best word ever and it would be fun to have an octaroon as president, considering it doesn't really matter who the president is anyway.
Ken is the smartest man alive.
[Sep 7,2008 10:41pm - thuringwethil ""]
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2008/09/05/Sarah.palins.style.cnn
I think I'll wear my hair up in librarian bun tomorrow
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[Sep 16,2008 11:48pm - Seth ""]
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