Alex Jones Exposes the Osama bin Laden Hoax
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[May 4,2011 2:43pm - brian_dc ""]
Would be a cooler video if it was Alex Jones choking on a hoagie.
[May 4,2011 3:19pm - FIST ""]
My favorite videos are the ones when he goes on cry-baby bitch fits sometimes it's almost like he didn't get his bottle of milk and goes on some pathetic temper tantrum and then collects all the idiots money who buy his stupid dvds
[May 4,2011 3:21pm - FIST ""]
I love how people hang on every word of his. just because some fat alcoholic shut in tells you there is a conspiracy people believe it.
[May 4,2011 3:30pm - arilliusbm ""]
Be belittles his callers to no end.
[May 4,2011 3:58pm - pam nli ""]
Well Obama has decided not to release the photographs. I am disappointed because now I have to listen to 20 years or OMGFAAAKKEEEWAAARRGARBL.
[May 4,2011 3:58pm - pam nli ""]
...or 2 weeks until they leak.
[May 4,2011 4:16pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
Didn't watch the vid, here are 11 instances of officials at least speculating on OBL's death from a Prison Planet article (http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-sources-bin-ladens-corpse-has-been-on-ice-for-nearly-a-decade.html):
- Former CIA officer and hugely respected intelligence & foreign policy expert Robert Baer, who in 2008 when asked about Bin Laden by a radio host responded, “Of course he is dead.”
- On December 26, 2001, Fox News, citing a Pakistan Observer story, reported that the Afghan Taliban had pronounced Bin Laden dead and buried him in an unmarked grave.
- On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”
- On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore.”
- In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.
- In 2003, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told Fox News Channel analyst Morton Kondracke she suspected Bush knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and was waiting for the most politically expedient moment to announce his capture.
- In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.
- In February 2007, Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program, stated that the purported video and audio tapes that were being released of Bin Laden were fake and that he was probably dead.
- On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.
- In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”
- In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”
[May 4,2011 4:18pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
But more importantly, if this Steve R. Pieczenik is to be believed, regardless of the Alex Jones context, his interview is more substantial than anything Jones can pull out of his ass on his own:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-governm...-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, May 4, 2011
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.
Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.
The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.
Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.
Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.
Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.
“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.
“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.
“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.
“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.
“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.
Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.
“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.
“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”
Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”
Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.
Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.
During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.
“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.
“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.
“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.
Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”
Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.
Watch the full interview with Dr. Pieczenik below.
[May 4,2011 4:21pm - pam ""]
So...a dozen people saying "I think he's probably dead" is your conclusive evidence that he's, what, been frozen in an ice cube for 10 years, passed on by Bush Jr and reserved for Barack Obama so he could one-up Donald Trump on fateful Sunday night?
[May 4,2011 4:34pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
I don't think that's evidence, I was just wondering if that was maybe the nine claims of OBL's death referred to in the video.
As for evidence, there are 2 streams that follow: the testimony of Benazir Bhutto, who, unlike, say Robert Baer or Madeline Albright, was actually in a position to know... And by the same token, her predecessor Musharraf and widower al Zardari would also likely be prone to the same internal Pakistani information.
The other stream is at least slightly corroborated by the Pieczenik interview, namely the handful of Pakistani and other news reports of OBL's natural death circa December 13, 2001.
Bhutto claimed Omar Saeed Sheik murdered OBL, and he was captured in February 2002, so both of these possibilities indicated an OBL dead for at least 9 years.
Neither is a strong chain of evidence, but both are certainly more substantial than anything offered by the Pentagon/CIA via their lackey O-bomb-a... And are supported by further logical analysis, in re: the lack of Osama tapes (other than CIA fakes) after 9/28/01, and the unlikeliness of someone with severely advanced kidney disease could have survived this long (even if the discussion of marfan syndrome is ignored).
[May 4,2011 4:37pm - burnsy ""]
pam said:So...a dozen people saying "I think he's probably dead" is your conclusive evidence that he's, what, been frozen in an ice cube for 10 years, passed on by Bush Jr and reserved for Barack Obama so he could one-up Donald Trump on fateful Sunday night?
I didn't see him say anything about conclusive evidence. Actually, it appears he said it was speculative.
[May 4,2011 4:39pm - pam ""]
I'm using your in terms of everyone claiming Osama has been dead for ten years.
[May 4,2011 4:41pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
Huh?
[May 4,2011 5:01pm - ark ""]
In 2001 it was known he had health problems. I always thought the most likely case was he died "somewhere in Asia" in 2001-2002 and was buried in an unmarked grave with full Islamic rites by his lackeys. It's more likely than any other alternative, especially considering what is STILL being sold to the public.
[May 4,2011 5:04pm - brian_dc ""]
I'm not naturally inclined to conspiracy theory...at all. Like even a little.
But I really figured that we'd never know for sure whether the dude just died of natural causes. Granted, it seems like the dialysis/kidney stones/whatever speculation is also just that, speculation.
I was surprised to hear that this was coming up now. And I think it's well within the rights of perfectly reasonable people to be skeptical.
Of course, the unreasonable shout the loudest and with the most notoriety. I'm really jaded. I have nothing to contribute.
[May 4,2011 5:04pm - arilliusbm ""]
Political move was political.
Well played.
[May 4,2011 5:04pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
I just dont understand how it would take 10 years to find a fugitive of this caliber requiring a Dialysis Machine to stay alive... in a shithole compound no less. your telling me no one would have ratted him out for the reward? if this is all true then we have a bunch of fucktards in the CIA who should all set themselves on fire for being such failures.
[May 4,2011 5:07pm - dreadkill ""]
goatcatalyst said: framed Fatty Arbuckle
this totally makes the rant. well done.
[May 4,2011 5:12pm - ark ""]
b_dc, fair enough, but not even talking about 9/11, I haven't come across a single soul that can come up with a good enough reason for the US invasion of Afghanistan, because Bush and Cheney's wasn't good enough.
[May 4,2011 5:14pm - ark ""]
ark said:I haven't come across a single soul that can come up with a good enough reason for the US invasion of Afghanistan, except of course for "conspiracy theorists" and "truthers".
[May 4,2011 5:22pm - pam ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:I just dont understand how it would take 10 years to find a fugitive of this caliber requiring a Dialysis Machine to stay alive... in a shithole compound no less. your telling me no one would have ratted him out for the reward? if this is all true then we have a bunch of fucktards in the CIA who should all set themselves on fire for being such failures.
Last I read the concrete evidence of his almost-dead condition wasn't exactly reliable either. But that was a long time ago and I honestly don't care enough to google it now. But it is the same government you're saying is 100% lying right now, so why do you take their word for it there but not here? It seems...convenient.
I'm not saying shit Tom outside of this: the majority of people who are conspiracy theorists will always say everything is fake. The loudest voices are not out for "truth", they are out to prove themselves right and feel like Guy fucking Fox in their mother's basement. It doesn't matter what evidence comes up, they'll find a reason to "debunk" it. It just goes on forever and ever and ever because there's nothing you can show someone that they can't make up a blog post about and cry FAKE.
I just find the whole knee-jerk everything is a LIE OH GOD THE LIES shit just as sheep-like as the people who just take everything they hear on CNN at face value and find it fun to tease you all because you get your manties in a wad about it every.single.time.
I read the "mainstream" news, I read international news, I read most of your crazy links, I read whatever people offer up usually...but no, I'm not going to just buy the Glen Becks of infoterror just because they claim anti-government. That doesn't make them any more credible than anyone else and it seems you think that = BRAINWASHED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
This is absolutely my limit for serious posting on RTTP for a week and fuck you for making me typing all this. You owe me a beer.
[May 4,2011 5:25pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
:(
i'm just having a conversation pam. i'm sorry you take it so personally.
[May 4,2011 5:25pm - ark ""]
Fuuck. Only being an extreme skeptic to the point of doubting yourself 24 hours a day is real.
[May 4,2011 5:26pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
and for the record i fucking hate glen beck.
[May 4,2011 5:29pm - pam ""]
FuckIsMySignature said::(
i'm just having a conversation pam. i'm sorry you take it so personally.
You ridiculous boy, where on earth did you get anything out of that that I am upset, annoyed or even taking this personally? I was answering your question, I'm just not very succinct. I was giving you my perspective and was not being serious at the end...except for the beer part, I was serious about that. Now shut up, you know I love you ho.
[May 4,2011 5:51pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
ITT: Pam puts words in peoples' mouths and bashes critical thinking
[May 4,2011 5:53pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
What's sad is that I think she (and ShadowSD, based on the other thread) would be playing a different tune if there wasn't such a great "progressive" in the White House (He speaks so well!).
Remember Jessica Lynch? Pat Tillman? The CIA's fake Saddam-gay-sex vids??
[May 4,2011 5:59pm - pam ""]
LOL, yeah...I did all those things.
[May 4,2011 6:08pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
pam said:So...a dozen people saying "I think he's probably dead" is your conclusive evidence that he's, what, been frozen in an ice cube for 10 years, passed on by Bush Jr and reserved for Barack Obama so he could one-up Donald Trump on fateful Sunday night?
pam said:the majority of people who are conspiracy theorists will always say everything is fake. The loudest voices are not out for "truth", they are out to prove themselves right and feel like Guy fucking Fox in their mother's basement. It doesn't matter what evidence comes up, they'll find a reason to "debunk" it. It just goes on forever and ever and ever because there's nothing you can show someone that they can't make up a blog post about and cry FAKE.
- Assumption that all "conspiracy theorists" are just ignorant (right wing) political partisans who think this is a cheap Obama trick: Check
- Assumption that questioning the current hoax means we claim to know the full/real story: Check
- Assumption that posting contrary quotes/evidence means we have full-faith in that evidence: Check
- Assumption that those who believe one "conspiracy theory" must believe anything that can be labeled as a "conspiracy theory": Check
- Assumption that skepticism about factual events is based on political bias/axe to grind: Check
- Assumption that "conspiracy theorists" are a monolithic, single-minded mass: Check
- Assumption that "evidence" offered by government cannot/should not be debunked: Check
- Assumption that skepticism equates to self-aggrandizement: Check
[May 4,2011 6:15pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
ITT: everyone needs a tall frosty beer.
[May 4,2011 6:15pm - pam ""]
Splitting hairs and mincing words while ignoring the rest of what I said: check.
Working up a cum lather because I don't believe everything you do: check.
Wasting time trying to bait someone into an argument: check.
Have fun cupcake...I don't care.
[May 4,2011 6:16pm - nekronautnli ""]
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[May 4,2011 6:22pm - arilliusbm ""]
I don't disbelieve everything our government tells us. I just have lack of faith in how they do it, given how compartmentalized everything is. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
The main reason why I started thinking "outside of the perceived box" per se is because I'm a huge fan of history. It is NOT uncommon for governments to lie to the populace. Given the amount of funds our government receives for defense and military spending, it should be evident why our country is crumbling. This has nothing to do with republicans and/or democrats. I love the USA and the basis of what this country was founded on. But this ain't the US no more, nigga. I mean NIGGA PLZ WTF K CUPCAKE TIME IM HUNGRY
[May 4,2011 6:27pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
pam said:Splitting hairs and mincing words while ignoring the rest of what I said: check.
Haha, sorry, I forgot to mention: Transparent ad hominem attacks (living in Mom's basement, constant masturbation/semen references): Check
Meanwhile, you ignored the interview article (Pieczenik) I posted, instead claiming that I was obviously just accusing Obama of trying to obscure the birth certificate controversy, didn't respond in regards to the statements of Benazir Bhutto(a true martyr for democracy), ignored the references to other transparent Pentagon psy-ops like the Jessica Lynch "rescue" and "friendly fire" murder of Pat Tillman, and just plain generally chose to avoid anything of substance in favor of a faith-based approach to national security matters.
It's fine that you don't even want to get into this discussion, but by posting stupid, ignorant shit in your loud proclamations of indifference, you're bound to occasionally look, well, stupid and ignorant. I'm not trying to bait you into anything and I don't care if you believe what I believe, it's just that the arguments you've posted in this thread are worthless. If you're so blase about the topic and convinced that all "conspiracy theorists" are just a bunch of basement-dwelling cumstains, why even bother with poorly reasoned 3rd grade insults?
[May 4,2011 6:29pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
So, ya know, accusing me of splitting hairs when you're more concerned with describing the jizm of people you disagree with than the substance of the thread is kind of pointless... Especially since the "hairs" I'm splitting are pretty much your entire contribution.
[May 4,2011 6:40pm - pam ""]
And I have never said "Aril you huge idiot, everything you say is ridiculous". At least not to your face. Do I need point out that I'm kidding here since RTTP always takes everything I say seriously lately?
I definitely have said every time this comes up that I am FOR questioning everything, but that my point was blindly believing everything a blogger that even conspiracy theorists seem to think is a loon says is just as sheepish as believing everything CNN says and that all talking heads have a self-interest to look after just like everyone they claim to be against.
But as usual it seems that because I think gay people deserve rights and like my uterus to be mine to control that that means I don't know anything, believe everything Obama says and think everyone on this board is a wacko. I've never said a thing in a political thread that didn't end in someone putting "liberal" or "progressive" in quotations and some asshole telling me how I think or doing something so hilarious as to make a list of assumptions of my assumptions. It's amusingly hypocritical and predictable.
But I'm happy to oblige everyone's OBVIOUSLY CORRECT views on how I think. Can Headbanging Man please let me know how I feel on the topic of potential military response to Pakistan because CNN hasn't told me yet and I'd really like to know.
[May 4,2011 6:42pm - pam ""]
hahaha look how fucking mad you are. I'm sorry, everything I say will now be free of vulgarity, I forgot I'm on a proper board of gentleman who'd never speak of semen ever.
[May 4,2011 7:00pm - Doomkid ""]
arilliusbm said:I don't disbelieve everything our government tells us. I just have lack of faith in how they do it, given how compartmentalized everything is. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
I'm not going to fuck with the rest of this thread since I missed so much, but Aril is definitely correct in this. Check the Frontline/Washington Post reporting:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/are-we-safer/
[May 4,2011 7:28pm - Pervez Musharraf ""]
Benazir Bhutto was a hot piece of ass!
[May 4,2011 7:33pm - Big bag of assorted nigger parts ""]
http://youtu.be/b2K8zNqgtOo
[May 4,2011 7:34pm - Big bag of assorted nigger parts ""]
^ I'm a dope and don't know how to embed vids. In the vid above, The (*ahem*) "people" of Roxbury discuss the death of OBL.
[May 4,2011 7:39pm - pam ""]
"He did what it took Bush 11 years to do"
Yessss
[May 4,2011 7:39pm - arilliusbm ""]
pam said:And I have never said "Aril you huge idiot, everything you say is ridiculous". At least not to your face. Do I need point out that I'm kidding here since RTTP always takes everything I say seriously lately?
Only discussing this at Amon Amarth is real
[May 4,2011 7:40pm - pam ""]
bennyhillifier
[May 4,2011 7:41pm - pam ""]
arilliusbm said:
pam said:And I have never said "Aril you huge idiot, everything you say is ridiculous". At least not to your face. Do I need point out that I'm kidding here since RTTP always takes everything I say seriously lately?
Only discussing this at Amon Amarth is real
I think it would be more enjoyable to discuss the merits of killing everyone in Roxbury.
[May 5,2011 4:14pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
pam said:I definitely have said every time this comes up that I am FOR questioning everything, but that my point was blindly believing everything a blogger that even conspiracy theorists seem to think is a loon says is just as sheepish as believing everything CNN says and that all talking heads have a self-interest to look after just like everyone they claim to be against.
But as usual it seems that because I think gay people deserve rights and like my uterus to be mine to control that that means I don't know anything, believe everything Obama says and think everyone on this board is a wacko. I've never said a thing in a political thread that didn't end in someone putting "liberal" or "progressive" in quotations and some asshole telling me how I think or doing something so hilarious as to make a list of assumptions of my assumptions. It's amusingly hypocritical and predictable.
Just wanted to check what words were put in my mouth while I was gone... Interesting, but not quite!
[May 5,2011 4:21pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
pam said:hahaha look how fucking mad you are. I'm sorry, everything I say will now be free of vulgarity, I forgot I'm on a proper board of gentleman who'd never speak of semen ever.
I'm not mad, it's a topic I discuss with a certain amount of seriousness; I couldn't care less about vulgarity, but when the best you can come up with is repeated references to cum, obviously you're not choosing to bring intellect to the table. You chose pointless flaming in this thread, I chose to stick to the issues, even if I had to frame it as a response to senseless assumptions about my politics and fluid disposal methods.
[May 5,2011 4:29pm - pam ""]
this was boring yesterday.
[May 5,2011 4:30pm - Headbanging_Man ""]
Then why do you continue to respond? Maybe if you tell me how much I hate fags and accuse me of killing abortionists, you'll get somewhere.
[May 5,2011 4:33pm - pam ""]
I like how you take broad statements and directly apply them to yourself so you have something to be offended about. You remind me of the bickering hens on my knitting forum.
I'm responding because you're talking to me and I wouldn't want to be impolite. That's generally what one does when spoken to.