Alex Jones Exposes the Osama bin Laden Hoax[views:23745][posts:170]____________________________________ [May 5,2011 11:24pm - Alx_Casket ""] [img] |
| ____________________________ [May 6,2011 8:58am - pam ""] This thread brings me great lulz. |
| ___________________________________ [May 6,2011 9:16am - arilliusbm ""] Occam's Razor is what they want you to believe in situations that carry political undertones. |
| ____________________________ [May 6,2011 9:37am - pam ""] [img] |
| _________________________________ [May 6,2011 9:48am - brian_dc ""] pam said:[img] to be fair, none of the things Aril or Headbanging_Man come within 100 miles of the idiocy of this. I think the point to take from these guys is that it is reasonable to doubt the accepted stories. There are unknowns. The problem is that when there are holes in a story, people are far too willing to fill the holes with whatever garbage just happens to be pouring out of their faces at a given moment. That should be avoided as much as taking anything at face value. |
| ____________________________________ [May 6,2011 10:09am - Alx_Casket ""] [img] Only Mehrunes' Razor is real. |
| ____________________________________ [May 6,2011 10:22am - arilliusbm ""] A good (recent) example that people still talk about was the xmas day 'underwear bomber'. They made a big deal out of it when it happened, and it happened right before a bunch of airports got contracts to have the zero-point scanners installed. ($$$$$$) there were eyewitnesses at the airport in Amsterdam that said the 'bomber' was seen with a men in suits prior to boarding the plan. The men told the desk to let him on the plane and showed some credentials. Someone on the plane was taping the small fire, but it was confiscated after the flight. there are some other strange stories surrounding that incident that the MSM failed to cover. What I said (mind you im on a phone so I can't type much) was all taken from an interview with the eyewitnesses... Actual sources. Can't cite shit right now |
| __________________________________ [May 6,2011 10:26am - brian_dc ""] Al Qaeda released a statement confirming Bin Laden's death: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/07/world/as...qaeda.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss |
| ______________________________ [May 6,2011 10:37am - ark ""] Yeah, we have varying degrees of lack of faith in official government stories in this thread, the point is the government is totally capable of deceiving the public, and has in the past to a large degree. Either way, whether or not OBL did actually die on May 4, 2011, it's sickening to see another "American victory" ripple effect when in fact it's the complete opposite, and the MSM and every regular fucking Joe and Jose go around saying "will such and such be different now that Osama is dead?" because nobody understands the nature of ideological warfare, and everybody gets swept up in the tide of empty patriotism once again. I'm a "truther" mainly because many personal gains were to be had by certain parties following the events in 2001, on top of multiple false flag operations in the past which have been proven true. I have never listened to or watched an Alex Jones video and I don't read ATS, infowars, etc. |
| ______________________________ [May 6,2011 10:39am - Yeti ""] i am so fucking sick of hearing about Bin Laden. the "patriotic" fervor is stomach turning. fuck this country, and fuck everyone in it. |
| ______________________________ [May 6,2011 10:40am - ark ""] Also that politicians will do absolutely anything to get re-elected. Political timing is always connected to coincidence. |
| ____________________________ [May 6,2011 3:14pm - pam ""] Yeti said:i am so fucking sick of hearing about Bin Laden. the "patriotic" fervor is stomach turning. fuck this country, and fuck everyone in it. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| ________________________________________ [May 6,2011 6:25pm - Headbanging_Man ""] I'm more open to the possibility that OBL died this week, in light of the few reports coming out of Pakistan (namely from police who followed up the raid), it's still a super fucking fishy situation though. I am waiting for explanations about who actually was aware of his presence, if he kept a dialysis machine in the compound, why he wasn't able to bring a camcorder, etc. Obviously most every detail given out about the raid was dishonest, but if the general gist is true, I am inclined to think that instead of literally keeping OBL on ice, CIA was only metaphorically doing so, to have a real corpse when it was necessary to go in for the "victory". Believing they just found out about the spot in August 2010 requires a MAJOR leap of faith. ArrowHeadNLI said:I think I've pretty clearly stated my opinion. And yes, 11 historic documentations at people GUESSING Osama was dead, combined with a guy with a name and position I've never heard of who "oughta know" saying he heard it from a general addressing his class who said 911 was a false flag attack, does not make me suspicious. See, that's not all that difficult. It was more than 11 people's "guesses", and there were other circumstantial issues that added a lot to the uncertainty. It included reports in newspapers in Pakistan, Egypt, and the New York Times, as well as two (current/former) heads of state of Pakistan. Not to mention the issues surrounding Tora Bora, and the question of OBL's kidney issues (the only remotely thought-provoking comment Pam made in this thread was that our perception of his sickness/dialysis is based generally on Western/US news sources, which is a fair point)... Then there are suspicious video tapes and the sudden switch to (also fakeable) audio only, from a man who supposedly still ran a billion-dollar terror network. So I think you're understating the case for his previous death, but I've already acknowledged several times that there was nothing in the way of rock-solid proof. Occam's Razor applied in previous assumptions of OBL's death as well; neither hide nor hair from Bin Laden except from CIA/Pentagon sources using his alleged words for propagandic purposes for over 9 years, an assumption of advance kidney disease, the realpolitik of a man hiding in a poor country with a $25mill. bounty on his head... Even if the previous reports of OBL's death were too insubstantial to give any credence, that's hardly an argument for accepting the WH/Pentagon at face value. It's fair enough if you think that the US military black ops groups are a decent independent custodian/tester of evidence like DNA, but there is more than enough reason for many of us to view any such "evidence" as inherently compromised (as would any functional court). Likewise, this entire operation was clearly cloaked under several levels of security classifications, so the idea that military and intelligence officials couldn't manage to lie in concert with each other suggests they don't even know their jobs. I continue to reserve judgment, and I imagine it take months for a remotely clear picture to emerge. Some in the Pakistani military are denying it was OBL who died in the raid, but on the other hand the wife that is supposedly talking now is to me, so far the most credible witness in support of the WH/Pentagon story. I'm curious to see what becomes of her and the other on site witnesses, what information surfaces about OBL's protection for the last 6 years, and if the previous death leads can be traced to any particular source of disinformation. I still think Steve Pieczenik's words are extraordinarily interesting; the most compelling part of that interview is not the second hand OBL/9/11 info, but the fact that he says he TAUGHT false-flag/stand-down techniques at the Army War College. These are the kind of "sources and methods" that the CIA has so jealously guarded against congressional or judicial scrutiny, and I imagine the Pentagon has likewise chosen to keep hidden such blatantly dishonest tactics, as they wouldn't exactly reflect well on the nation's top brass or the military in general. |
| ________________________________________ [May 6,2011 6:31pm - Headbanging_Man ""] Counterpoint has had a bunch of GREAT pieces on this issue... Unfortunately the writer here is a little bit questionable, but his brief analysis of some public Wikileaks releases certainly shows his basic point: http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir05042011.html Cross and Double Cross With Gitmo Files US Knew Where Osama Was Since 2005 By ISRAEL SHAMIR Shamir is definitely a suspicious figure though: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/04/309818.html |
| ________________________________________ [May 6,2011 6:41pm - Headbanging_Man ""] "Hey, if you can’t show me something, maybe you don’t have it, especially since you are a chronic liar and in the cloak and dagger business. For most English-language trials since the disappearance of William Harrison in 1660, there has been the principle of no corpse, no murder, but here you actually have an open admission of murder, widely broadcast, but no corpse, which is tantamount to destruction of evidence, whatever it was. So the CIA is basically saying to us, The dog ate my cadaver. Frankly, this farce was so crudely put together, the explanation so ridiculous, that our overlords must think most of us are morons, brainwashed as we are by cradle-to-grave propaganda delivered via print or pixels. I hate to think they might be right. " A Cartoon Narrative Bin Laden the Vindicator By LINH DINH http://www.counterpunch.org/dinh05042011.html |
| ____________________________________ [May 9,2011 3:14pm - Alex Jones ""] www.infowars.com/10-facts-that-prove-the-bin-laden-fable-is-a-contrived-hoax/ |
| _________________________________ [May 9,2011 3:20pm - brian_dc ""] Alex Jones do the truffle shuffle. |
| ___________________________________ [May 9,2011 3:23pm - arilliusbm ""] Alex, learn how to post here. http://www.infowars.com/10-facts-that-prov...in-laden-fable-is-a-contrived-hoax/ |
| _________________________________________ [May 9,2011 3:26pm - BlessedOffalNLI ""] pam%20nli said:I just don't fucking care. |
| ________________________________ [May 9,2011 3:30pm - oscarct ""] BlessedOffalNLI said: pam%20nli said:I just don't fucking care. |
| ___________________________________ [May 9,2011 3:54pm - arilliusbm ""] they be using this now to scare us with train travel this summer. Ultimately this just means mark richards is a terrorist. |