close to 20 people dead (including children) in CT kindergarten shooting
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[Dec 19,2012 6:35pm - Theguywhopostsok ""]
Here we go again.
It's funny. In South Korea, they have thousands of people going to stadiums to watch people play call Of duty with no problems whatsoever. Fucking reactionary pussified country we are..............
[Dec 19,2012 6:37pm - Burnsy ""]
Fuckin' dummies. It's Marilyn Manson.
[Dec 19,2012 6:57pm - arilliusbm ""]
Reality simulation. Been saying this for years.
[Dec 19,2012 7:44pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
"I have two boys, age 9, that want 'Call of Duty,' " said a CNN commenter using the screen name goldeneagle78, referring to the popular military-shooter game series. "They will NOT be getting it, or any other game that is rated above their age level."
Hey, wow I guess I shouldn't buy them the cigarettes and porn they wanted, either. LOL @ crying out for legislation when people don't even pay attention to the voluntary ratings.
[Dec 20,2012 7:45am - Yeti ""]
i remember when the 90's had a huge epidemic of kids shooting ice and ripping each others heads and spines out, and curling up into a ball to generate electricity because of the horrors of games like Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter.
[Dec 20,2012 8:46am - trioxin245 ""]
For a while it wasnt safe to walk near a boat because of the risk of getting hit by a man wearing red pajamas flying through the air with his leg out like a helicopter blade.
[Dec 20,2012 8:56am - arilliusbm ""]
yea man I remeber when some asshole in a blue suit would jump WITH HIS MOUTH OPEN, shooting eggs at everything. Guy was a total douche. Luckily, a dwarf in green with a giant axe who drank at the local tavern saved the world with his stellar defense.
[Dec 20,2012 9:45am - trioxin245 ""]
dude remember that one time when that fat asshole when around turning all the animals into robots? What a dick. Thank fuck for that anthropomorphic blue hedgehog. Almost as bad as those aliens that showed up that one time. If it werent for that blue dude and his red twin we wouldve been fucked.
[Dec 20,2012 9:53am - arilliusbm ""]
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[Dec 20,2012 10:06am - KEVORD ""]
Remember in the 80s when kids started biting the heads off bats everywhere? Then we ran out bats and everyone got rabies. So they all started worshiping satan and fucking like a beast. I'm glad they invented slap bracelets near the end of that decade to kill these creatures.
[Dec 20,2012 10:15am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
^^^ tragedy redeemed
[Dec 20,2012 10:35am - arilliusbm ""]
LOL Slap bracelets
[Dec 20,2012 12:05pm - largefreakatzero ""]
Bulletproof backpacks? Yeah: http://m.newser.com/story/159637/flying-of...shelves-bullet-proof-backpacks.html
[Dec 20,2012 12:55pm - barren ark ""]
Boozegood said:This is also apparent in our traditional disdain for socialism as well; we do not place a large value on comfort/ease of life if it involves hand holding.
This just jumped out at me. This assumes that socialism is actually == hand holding, because it is a sliding scale, and we live in a hybrid social democracy. Progressives over US history would like a word with you over that apparent traditional disdain. The true American luxury is that we have both. Be careful how you use the word, and imagine if the USA had absolutely no socialist economic policies (which there are no examples of in a "pure" democracy or the warped American version of it - it would have to be something more authoritarian)
Anyway I completely agree that guns and what they symbolize are a cultural pillar and will not go away. State's rights should have the right of way.
Now, the second amendment is all well and good, but while the public argues about that, Bush, Obama, and congress have been chipping away at the 5th amendment quietly.
[Dec 20,2012 4:16pm - ShadowSD ""]
Yeti said:i remember when the 90's had a huge epidemic of kids shooting ice and ripping each others heads and spines out, and curling up into a ball to generate electricity because of the horrors of games like Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter.
Those were the days when a kid couldn't pass by a Chinese market full of chickens without being kicked in the face by a girl in lingerie. Dark times.
[Dec 20,2012 4:49pm - ShadowSD ""]
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This reminds me of the epidemic of kids launching Magitek armies and poisoning Japanese castles while laughing inappropriately.
[Dec 20,2012 4:56pm - Arrow NLI ""]
Was going to jump into this one, but realized there'd be no room for debate with all theexplaining and education needed for some people making points here.
Shadow - I like you man, but you really ought to learn a little more about what you're discussing. And make short, simple points. The length of your posts shows you're talking in circles because you don't know what you're saying. If you could make a simple point, correcting you would be quite easy.
For instance - you know NOTHING about guns. From auto, semi-auto, "assault" weapons, magazines (guns haven't used clips in ages), current and past law, or even the fact that the two worst school massacres in US history were committed using a pair of pistols for one, and farm supplies for the other. Both higher victim counts than in Sandy Hook.
But we get it - you're scared of guns.
[Dec 20,2012 5:19pm - Boozegood ""]
Arrow%20NLI said:
For instance - you know NOTHING about guns. From auto, semi-auto, "assault" weapons, magazines (guns haven't used clips in ages), current and past law, or even the fact that the two worst school massacres in US history were committed using a pair of pistols for one, and farm supplies for the other. Both higher victim counts than in Sandy Hook.
But we get it - you're scared of guns.
This times infinity. Why is it that this is the only debate were ignorance is for some reason an acceptable thing.
ShadowSD: Imagine if someone was arguing about gay people, drugs, evolution, etc. the same way you are about guns. They would sound like a complete idiot to you (I hope). You would most likely (and rightfully) disregard the majority of what they have to say.
[Dec 20,2012 6:26pm - ShadowSD ""]
All I'm trying to say is I didn't see anyone here a week or month ago raising a stink about how automatic weapons are illegal, so why be scared now about having semi-automatic guns be illegal when they long had been anyway?
After all, semi-automatics are the only type of gun even being *talked* about as far as any gun control legislation; no one's talking about taking all guns away or changing the second amendment or anything awful like that. That will never happen, nor should it.
The death toll from mass shootings over the last few years compared to before has spiked, and as a result of large magazines. You have a chance to run from a pistol at least, those kids on Friday had no chance.
As far as the idea of me being scared, I was actually the one insisting to my wife my daughter go back to school on Monday, and that's what happened. To my wife (and most people really) the world seems more dangerous after something like this. The fact is it is no more so; it only revealed that their perceived sense of 100% security was always a fallacy. If anything the law of averages suggests the next school shooting will not be in CT again, so my daughter is actually safer now than before. That's how I react to this kind of stuff; I'm not scared by tragedies or even surprised by them in the least bit, not 9/11 (PaganMegan if she's lurking can vouch for how completely unshocked I was), and not any of the mass shootings, including this one. Tragedies happen. Guns exist. Killer exist.
But, even though I wasn't surprised or scared by it, this one still hurts a lot in a way no other has. If all it takes is going back to treating semi-automatics like automatics to prevent that high of a kill rate per minute, I'd be a shitty parent not to advocate for it.
I also don't think you guys are getting the same constant local news broadcasts of several funerals every day, and people in the town tearfully begging for reinstatement of reasonable restrictions against rapid fire weapons.
[Dec 20,2012 6:28pm - Boozegood ""]
ShadowSD said:All I'm trying to say is I didn't see anyone here a week or month ago raising a stink about how automatic weapons are illegal, so why be scared now about having semi-automatic guns be illegal when they long had been anyway?
After all, semi-automatics are the only type of gun even being *talked* about as far as any gun control legislation; no one's talking about taking all guns away or changing the second amendment or anything awful like that. That will never happen, nor should it.
The death toll from mass shootings over the last few years compared to before has spiked, and as a result of large magazines. You have a chance to run from a pistol at least, those kids on Friday had no chance.
As far as the idea of me being scared, I was actually the one insisting to my wife my daughter go back to school on Monday, and that's what happened. To my wife (and most people really) the world seems more dangerous after something like this. The fact is it is no more so; it only revealed that their perceived sense of 100% security was always a fallacy. If anything the law of averages suggests the next school shooting will not be in CT again, so my daughter is actually safer now than before. That's how I react to this kind of stuff; I'm not scared by tragedies or even surprised by them in the least bit, not 9/11 (PaganMegan if she's lurking can vouch for how completely unshocked I was), and not any of the mass shootings, including this one. Tragedies happen. Guns exist. Killer exist.
But, even though I wasn't surprised or scared by it, this one still hurts a lot in a way no other has. If all it takes is going back to treating semi-automatics like automatics to prevent that high of a kill rate per minute, I'd be a shitty parent not to advocate for it.
I also don't think you guys are getting the same constant local news broadcasts of several funeral every day, and people in the town tearfully begging for reinstatement of reasonable restrictions against rapid fire weapons.
You are just repeating all of the points that make it glaringly obvious that you don't know what you are talking about.
If you aren't going to learn anything about guns than at least stick with "I don't like guns, they hurt people, let's get rid of them" as your argument.
[Dec 20,2012 6:33pm - Arrow NLI ""]
ShadowSD said:
The death toll from mass shootings over the last few years compared to before has spiked, and as a result of large magazines. You have a chance to run from a pistol at least, those kids on Friday had no chance.
Why would you have more chance running from a pistol versus a rifle?
[Dec 20,2012 6:50pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Pistol bullets travel at like 2mph, duh.
[Dec 20,2012 7:03pm - Boozegood ""]
Also this 'clip' (magazine) capacity thing is so ridiculous. How long do you think it takes to reload? I know this isn't helping my case I guess, but still.
bennyhillifier
[Dec 20,2012 7:16pm - ShadowSD ""]
Boozegood said:stick with "I don't like guns, they hurt people, let's get rid of them" as your argument.
Why should I say something that broad if I don't believe that? I would oppose that. Every American has a right to own a gun, it's only the rapid fire aspect that anyone has a problem with.
(Am I not permitted to say rapid fire or is that term acceptable? If not, let's say guns that shoot quickly and reload quickly, something muskets and cannons can't do but some weapons created over the last century can)
Hopefully I am getting my point across with at least that terminology, and I'm happy to correct my wording if I'm still using one term when I should be using another - just point it out and I'll correct the mistake and use the right word every time after that - just like I did in the top half of the thread when was pointed out I should have said magazine instead of clip, and I haven't repeated that error since. I'd rather correct myself than get bogged down on terminology instead of judged on substance.
[Dec 20,2012 7:18pm - ShadowSD ""]
So you guys are arguing that a pistol could fire off as many accurate deadly shots in as short of a time as a Bushmaster?
[Dec 20,2012 7:20pm - Arrow NLI ""]
Yes. How do you feel one semi auto is different from another? Pull the trigger, shoot a bullet.
[Dec 20,2012 7:24pm - ShadowSD ""]
Well, then my error is clear, not realizing the pistol fell into the semi-auto category as well; since it is, you're right, it would have the same kill capacity, but it would also be addressed by the same legislation one would think. (I got thrown because I thought the pistol was being cited as a non semi-auto that nonetheless did damage, not sure why the example was raised then).
[Dec 20,2012 7:25pm - Boozegood ""]
ShadowSD said:So you guys are arguing that a pistol could fire off as many accurate deadly shots in as short of a time as a Bushmaster?
Yes, because it's a fact.
Stop saying 'Bushmaster' when you are referring to a type of rifle (the type you are referring to as-to-be-determined as far as I can tell, though...) as well.
[Dec 20,2012 7:26pm - Boozegood ""]
ShadowSD said:Well, then my error is clear, not realizing the pistol fell into the semi-auto category as well; since it is, you're right, it would have the same kill capacity, but it would also be addressed by the same legislation one would think. (I got thrown because I thought the pistol was being cited as a non semi-auto that nonetheless did damage, not sure why the example was raised then).
Okay than what about bolt action? Do you think they fire at a some sort of snails pace as well?
bennyhillifier
Or how about pump action?
bennyhillifier
Or lever action?
bennyhillifier
Or a single action revolver?
bennyhillifier
None of those are semi-automatic.
This is an example of an automatic-weapon:
bennyhillifier
It's also me
. (I didn't pick the music). [Dec 20,2012 7:27pm - arilliusbm ""]
Off topic, but I must commend you guys for having an intelligent, non-bashing, conversation for once. It's a breath of fresh air. Carry on.
[Dec 20,2012 7:37pm - largefreakatzero ""]
Boozegood said:
ShadowSD said:So you guys are arguing that a pistol could fire off as many accurate deadly shots in as short of a time as a Bushmaster?
Yes, because it's a fact.
Stop saying 'Bushmaster' when you are referring to a type of rifle (the type you are referring to as-to-be-determined as far as I can tell, though...) as well.
Haha, there's so many companies right now that make a .223 on an AR platform. I like how the liberal media just picked up on "Bushmaster " and ran with it. Retards.
[Dec 20,2012 7:46pm - largefreakatzero ""]
Also that SAW looks way fucking awesome and I want one.
[Dec 20,2012 7:46pm - Arrow NLI ""]
Shadow, do you think semi auto means it fires more than one bullet at a time?
[Dec 20,2012 7:57pm - Boozegood ""]
EDIT: In light of the subject matter of this thread and the good discussions it's creating, I think I won't go off topic. But yes I think the MK249 is a very solid weapon.
[Dec 20,2012 9:56pm - largefreakatzero ""]
Indeed.
[Dec 21,2012 5:12am - ernie ""]
I like loud noises
[Dec 21,2012 7:38am - Yeti ""]
SAW = awesome
Disturbed = not so much
[Dec 21,2012 8:23am - ShadowSD ""]
OK, so then I'm better off using the term "rapid fire" like I did in my most recent post, instead of just saying semi-automatics, since as you correctly pointed out, there are rapid fire guns that aren't semi-automatics.
Good point, thank you for bringing it to my attention. That's something I honestly didn't know and should have.
[Dec 21,2012 8:34am - ShadowSD ""]
Arrow%20NLI said:Shadow, do you think semi auto means it fires more than one bullet at a time?
Nah, I just had incorrectly assumed all rapid fire weapons fall in either the semi-automatic category or fully automatic category. I now get that they do not.
[Dec 21,2012 8:39am - ShadowSD ""]
largefreakatzero said:Haha, there's so many companies right now that make a .223 on an AR platform. I like how the liberal media just picked up on "Bushmaster " and ran with it. Retards.
I thought the police recovered a Bushmaster .223 from the crime scene, no? Thought I read that in several different places.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/19/bushma...ting-a-lightning-rod-in-gun-debate/
If there's no evidence that was the gun used and it's just speculation by the media, that's incredibly irresponsible. Do you have any proof that might be the case?
(Also, I just have to point out in response to "stop saying Bushmaster", I said it a total of one time before your post. The first person to introduce the term in this thread was Arrowhead, and it was used twice more after that before I said it, each time by the anti-gun control side of the argument.)
[Dec 21,2012 8:53am - largefreakatzero ""]
You missed both of our points completely.
Bushmaster = company
.223 = caliber
AR-15 = style of rifle
Rapid fire? No such term. Boozegod's point was that a trained shooter could do just as much damage with a pump action shotgun, a lever action rifle, or even a revolver as the firearms that the liberals have coined assault weapons.
Hope that helps.
[Dec 21,2012 9:02am - ShadowSD ""]
largefreakatzero said:Rapid fire? No such term. Boozegod's point
That's interesting, because most of the videos Boozegod cited to make his point say "Rapid Fire" in the title. At the very least, you can see how that might be a bit confusing.
largefreakatzero said: was that a trained shooter could do just as much damage with a pump action shotgun, a lever action rifle, or even a revolver as the firearms that the liberals have coined assault weapons.
That's a valid point. I get it. The ability to fire and reload quickly is what causes the destruction, not just semi-automatics specifically.
[Dec 21,2012 10:05am - largefreakatzero ""]
"Rapid fire" refers to something you are doing, not referring to the mechanical action of a firearm.
But yeah, that's why it makes no sense to ban semi-auto rifles, handguns, and shotguns: with some skill and creativity, other types of firearms can do just as much damage.
Did I mention my favorite waterfowl gun is a Benelli Super Black Eagle II? That's a semi-auto shotgun by the way.
[Dec 21,2012 10:11am - a duck ""]
::quack:: BAN SEMI-AUTO SHOTGUNS ::quack quack::
[Dec 21,2012 10:15am - ark ""]
largefreakatzero said:firearms that the liberals have coined assault weapons. NOT THIS LIBERAL KHED
[Dec 21,2012 10:18am - arilliusbm ""]
PLEASE
BAN CALL OF DUTY
[Dec 21,2012 10:19am - largefreakatzero ""]
Lol @ the duck
[Dec 21,2012 10:28am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
I look forward to a duck's contributions to our community.
[Dec 21,2012 10:36am - a duck ""]
did you hear what adam lanzas psychologist said about him? Apparently he was a real QUACK.
[Dec 21,2012 10:37am - largefreakatzero ""]
ark said:
largefreakatzero said:firearms that the liberals have coined assault weapons. NOT THIS LIBERAL KHED
Sorry, all gun-grabbers are liberal, but not all liberals are gun-grabbers. My bad.