ATTN: Vegetarian Nutjobs! Vegan couple sentenced to life in prison after death of malnourished baby![views:12595][posts:122]____________________________________ [May 9,2007 4:03pm - sacreligion ""] http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18574603/?GT1=9951 ATLANTA - A vegan couple were sentenced Wednesday to life in prison for the death of their malnourished 6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice. Superior Court Judge L.A. McConnell imposed the mandatory sentences on Jade Sanders, 27, and Lamont Thomas, 31. Their son, Crown Shakur, weighed just 3 1/2 pounds when he died of starvation on April 25, 2004. The couple were found guilty May 2 of malice murder, felony murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children. A jury deliberated about seven hours before returning the guilty verdicts. |
| ___________________________________ [May 9,2007 4:07pm - RichHorror ""] Good. All children should be murdered. |
| ____________________________________ [May 9,2007 4:08pm - xanonymousx ""] thats a sad story. |
| ________________________________________________ [May 9,2007 4:21pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Well it even says on soymilk "NOT TO BE USED AS INFANT FORMULA" some people are idiots |
| _________________________________________ [May 9,2007 4:29pm - largefreakatzero ""] Maybe it was for the best. Just think of the misery of having to go through life with the name "Crown Shakur". |
| _______________________________ [May 9,2007 6:49pm - Ryan_M ""] Haha, I thought Crown Shakur was a fucked up name too. But that's the kind of shit I'd expect from some hippie, holier-than-thou vegan assholes who think they and their kid are extra special because they choose not to use animal products. |
| _______________________________________ [May 9,2007 6:51pm - DomesticTerror ""] who cares? They're from Georgia. btw, not to split hairs, but they're vegan, not vegetarian. |
| ____________________________ [May 9,2007 6:56pm - ZJD ""] The couple had two other vegan kids who are fine and they clearly had no idea what they were doing. Veganism is perfectly healthy, this is just bad parenting. |
| _______________________________________ [May 9,2007 6:58pm - DomesticTerror ""] the article says that they were first time parents. |
| ____________________________ [May 9,2007 7:02pm - ZJD ""] Oh. Maybe I should read it. I thought I remembered reading another one recently where they had two other kids. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 7:40pm - CUNT ""] hahahahahahhaha,, vegans.... hahahahahhahaha |
| ____________________________ [May 9,2007 8:31pm - pam ""] You'd think the mother would have breast fed, the kid would have been fine. They're obviously fucking loons because no SANE parents would have a 3.5lb kid and think nothing was wrong. Fucking assholes. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 8:42pm - Hoser ""] Well, then again.....vegans aren't really all that smart to begin with. Veganism is much like Christianity and religion in general. It's an semi-organized bunch of nutjobs with the same beliefs shitting on those who do not believe. They should all fucking hang as far as I'm concerned. Just like the Earth First assholes burning down car dealerships and buildings because the owners of said edifaces don't share the same beliefs. They are extremist nutjobs no different than radical muslims, southern baptists, devout Catholics, or any other retarded religion. Vegans just come up with a different stupid excuse for their moronic actions. |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 8:45pm - Lamp ""] Ryan_M said:Haha, I thought Crown Shakur was a fucked up name too. But that's the kind of shit I'd expect from some hippie, holier-than-thou vegan assholes who think they and their kid are extra special because they choose not to use animal products. Holier than thou asshole hippies? Come on, if you don't believe in Christianity you wouldn't send your kid to a church. Not believing in eating animal products and therfore not feeding your kid any is the same thing. The prosecution attorney made the best point, that the kid died because he wasn't fed, period. Do you think you or anybody would be able to live on a diet consisting of soymilk and apple juice? Of course not. This has nothing to do with them being vegan, it has to do with them being retarded. It is also true that soymilk says on the side of it that it's not to be used as infant formula. |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 8:47pm - Lamp ""] Hoser said:*the usual retarded blather* Yeah dude, you totally said it. All vegans burn down car dealerships and factory farms in their spare lives and have nothing else to do with their days. None of them have jobs or friends or family that they pay attention to, they just wake up in the morning and protest violently to people in an attempt to change the way they think. :spineyes::spineyes::spineyes: |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:06pm - Hoser ""] No, but they bring their worthless asses up to Portsmouth, NH and lay in styrofoam meat packs wrapped in plastic in the middle of our streets with a pricetag on the wrapper and think that people actually give a shit. As if a meateater would walk by and say, "You know honey, they really do have a point, meat is torture." Too bad some drunk hick doesn't veer sharply off of the road and splatter their useless propaganda spreading asses all over our cobblestones. That would be fucking priceless. Get bent. :spineyes::spineyes::spineyes: |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:08pm - Hoser ""] Just in case you need proof. http://www.seacoastcareers.com/news/7_11index.htm |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 9:10pm - Lamp ""] You're taking the actions of a couple people and saying that's how everyone acts. That's fucking stupid. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:10pm - Hoser ""] Again.....Vegans need to get fucking bent. I have 1....I repeat......1 Vegan friend. He used to preach until we abused him so badly that he finally SHUT THE FUCK UP about his gay beliefs and GAY DIET. We were friends after that....end of story. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:11pm - Hoser ""] Eat meat, be a normal human being, and quit yer fucking whining. That's my advice to vegans. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:11pm - Hoser ""] Oh, and get a job. I don't know one vegan with a job. |
| ____________________________________ [May 9,2007 9:13pm - xanonymousx ""] it sadis passerby was at this protest. peta is wack most of the people in it i don't understand their extreme actions. |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 9:13pm - Lamp ""] Hoser said:*more conjecture, stereotypes, and general thickheadedness I can't comprehend* Arguing with you is like banging my head against a brick wall over and over again. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:21pm - Hoser ""] No, arguing with me is like trying to drink the ocean with a teaspoon. Eventually you may get your point across, but not likely. Veganism is a lame culture full of idiots trying to be different. You need a hobby, because nobody really gives a shit about your diet or clothing preferences. Try arguing something that anyone other than yourself gives a shit about, then you may gain some sort of credibility. Until then, Imma go eat my HAM steak and POLENTA smothered in BUTTER. I'll be here if you need me though....my polenta is still FRYING next to my MEAT. Which is on the stove that is near my LEATHER HUNTING boots. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:31pm - Hoser ""] Aside from all of that... How many lives of voles, moles, field mice, rabbits, and birds has the harvesting of your precious soy crops taken? Doesn't ssound truly vegan to me. Maybe you should resort to eating your own hair. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill |
| ____________________________ [May 9,2007 9:36pm - ZJD ""] Hoser said: Veganism is a lame culture full of idiots trying to be different. You need a hobby, because nobody really gives a shit about your diet or clothing preferences. There are people like that in any culture/subculture/etc. Plently of people listen to metal to appear tough, it doesn't mean everyone does. I've said it before and I'll say it a million more times; vegans don't eat animal products because they aren't down with aiding a holocaust. Get all bent out of shape over my use of the H word if you want, but it is true. Do you seriously think that nobody doesn't support factory farming because it's horrible and they all really just want to be cool/different? What about vegan metalfolk that will get nothing but shit from the metal community for being a pussy? What about vegans in the deep south? |
| ____________________________ [May 9,2007 9:40pm - ZJD ""] Hoser said:Aside from all of that... How many lives of voles, moles, field mice, rabbits, and birds has the harvesting of your precious soy crops taken? Doesn't ssound truly vegan to me. Maybe you should resort to eating your own hair. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill You brought this up last time and it was a piss poor argument then, too. None of those field mice and rabbits led tortured lives or were born into imprisonment. Also, suggesting that the alternative to eating plants that the harvesting of kills wild animals is to eat the meat of tortured animals that are fed way more plant food than all of the crops grown for humans combined that are harvested in the same way is fucking stupid. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:41pm - Hoser ""] Soooo.....if the animals are killed by accident it's ok? |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:42pm - Hoser ""] If their homes and habitat are torn apart by a combine it's ok? |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:44pm - Hoser ""] The Vegan argument is a ridiculously stupid one and selfish as well. We're all stupid and selfish.....we're human. As soon as you thick skulled dildo's get that fact through your self-righteous skulls, the sooner your lame movement will die and we'll all get along again. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:46pm - Hoser ""] Until then, enjoy being different.....until you have kids of your own to raise and nurture. Ooops.....3 1/2lbs.....almost forgot, some of you are HARD CORPS! |
| ____________________________ [May 9,2007 9:46pm - ZJD ""] Death is okay. If a lion kills a gazelle to eat I have no problem. If a 99 year old man dies of old age I have no problem. I also have no problem with how the native americans lived. I do, however, have a huge problem with entire species bred and born into imprisonment and torture. I don't eat meat because I don't want to and don't have to, but I see nothing inherently wrong with killing animals for food. I do not believe meat is murder, but suggesting that the field mice thing or hunting or whatever is even close to the same as factory farming is crazy. |
| ______________________________ [May 9,2007 9:49pm - Hoser ""] Ok, well then please enlighten me with YOUR solution to factory farming. How do you propose we feed 650,000,000 people? |
| ____________________________ [May 9,2007 9:52pm - ZJD ""] Well, if factory farming was abolished, or even decreased by a bunch, there would be no need for 80 percent of all american crops to go to the factory animals. Half that land could grow enough food to feed the whole world. |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 10:00pm - ZJD ""] Also, I've seen you bitch about vegans on her many times, but I've never seen you give any reasons for why veganism is dumb better than "vegans smell" or "vegans are emo". |
| _______________________________ [May 9,2007 10:03pm - Hoser ""] and mal-nourish us all or would you be the guy to "teach" the whole worl how to live your lifestyle? It would be like teaching retards not to be retarded. It wouldn't work. Meat eating is part of being human....and don't try to tell me that vegans don't have to learn to substitute things with vitamins and "alternative" sources. I do have a vegan friend who has told me the truth about being vegan and he admits that it's not easy. |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 10:06pm - ZJD ""] Veganism is incredibly easy. Your comment about vegans being malnourished is baseless. All vitamins/minerals/etc humans need to thrive can be found in plants. Do you have any sources for this shit better than your buddy? Also, if you had actually read my post you would know that I don't think killing for food is wrong. Getting rid of factory farms does not get rid of hunting. |
| _______________________________ [May 9,2007 10:30pm - Hoser ""] So you intend on teaching the low income families of our fair cities how to live vegan? Should we include it in our school curriculums? You know, for the low income families that live in cities and cant get out and learn to hunt? |
| _______________________________ [May 9,2007 10:30pm - Hoser ""] See what I'm saying? There are more holes in the Vegan argument than swiss cheese. |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 10:33pm - ZJD ""] Everyone should learn proper nutrition anyway, and it is not more expensive to have a vegan diet. There is no more danger of being a sickly vegan than there is of being a sickly omnivore. |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 10:34pm - ZJD ""] Hoser said:See what I'm saying? There are more holes in the Vegan argument than swiss cheese. The only holes I can see are in your alleged knowledge on the subject. All your arguments are stupid. |
| _____________________________________ [May 9,2007 10:44pm - Mike_Giallo ""] I have one vegan friend and a couple of vegeterian ones. The vegan one says it is easy to live vegan since they have substitutes for pretty much any food you could imagine. But he also says it's really expensive and mostly everything tastes like shit. |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 10:48pm - ZJD ""] Mike_Giallo said:I have one vegan friend and a couple of vegeterian ones. The vegan one says it is easy to live vegan since they have substitutes for pretty much any food you could imagine. But he also says it's really expensive and mostly everything tastes like shit. Most mock meats and cheeses suck, but vegan margarine and soymilk are a-okay. Everything else I eat is eaten by omnivores. Meat is expensive. |
| _____________________________ [May 9,2007 11:16pm - an ""] :happymac::skull::duffbeer::shocked::happymac::gun::yoda::point::cd::NEWHORNS::shocker: |
| _____________________________________ [May 10,2007 12:24am - RichHorror ""] I'm vegetarian. I feel less like bloated shit since becoming one. That's all the reason I need. |
| ______________________________________ [May 10,2007 12:37am - sacreligion ""] now that's horrific! |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 1:09am - Lamp ""] Hoser said:I do have a vegan friend who has told me the truth about being vegan and he admits that it's not easy. Maybe the reason it's not easy for him is because he's surrounded by you and all your asshole friends who keep calling him a pussy at every turn for the way he decided to live his own life. It is true that there are substitutes out there for everything you could imagine, not to mention a lot of the crap food out there that's already vegan(Oreos, Fritos, Twizzlers, Swedish fish, etc.). I don't eat meat but I'm while I'm not a vegan I do have some tendencies, ie. I drink soymilk(I honestly think it tastes better), I will avoid dairy if I don't have to eat it but sometimes I'm just lazy. Some stuff can still be made too(like pizza) but it just has to be made with different ingredients. Probably the reason it's expensive has more to do with the demand for it. They hide all the organic stuff in the grocery store or maybe they just have different stores for it altogether because people can just get their brand name shit easier. It's all just a matter of willpower, really. |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 1:42am - ZJD ""] Lamp said:Hoser said:I do have a vegan friend who has told me the truth about being vegan and he admits that it's not easy. Maybe the reason it's not easy for him is because he's surrounded by you and all your asshole friends who keep calling him a pussy at every turn for the way he decided to live his own life. It is true that there are substitutes out there for everything you could imagine, not to mention a lot of the crap food out there that's already vegan(Oreos, Fritos, Twizzlers, Swedish fish, etc.). I don't eat meat but I'm while I'm not a vegan I do have some tendencies, ie. I drink soymilk(I honestly think it tastes better), I will avoid dairy if I don't have to eat it but sometimes I'm just lazy. Some stuff can still be made too(like pizza) but it just has to be made with different ingredients. Probably the reason it's expensive has more to do with the demand for it. They hide all the organic stuff in the grocery store or maybe they just have different stores for it altogether because people can just get their brand name shit easier. It's all just a matter of willpower, really. Really, I think the only reason for it to be more expensive is when people can't/don't cook and want to just eat premade things. A box of veggie burgers, tofurkey products, and the like will add up quickly. Things like Tofu, Seitan, Tempeh, and Gluten are better than fake meats anyway (in my opinion) and don't have to be expensive. Gluten is incredibly easy and cheap to make yourself. I like you because you aren't dumb you bitch well. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 1:54am - Lamp ""] Yeah. I went into an organic grocery store the other day that had a pretty limited selection(I would have to drive 20 minutes to Providence to get to the nearest Whole Foods) and I didn't buy a lot but wound up spending almost 30 bucks. I'm guessing that had just as much to do with the place being a small business. I do dig tofu a lot though, haven't had seitan before but am interested in trying it, I've seen it used in some recipe for fake Italian beef sandwiches or something like that. I didn't understand why someone would want to stop eating meat for the longest time ever, but the first time I actually tried to do it, while I only lasted a week and a half, I realized just how much food I'd overlook and how meat was basically everywhere. It gets disturbing to think of the mass quantities of animals being raised into slaughter after a while for that. There are probably more animals killed in a day than a regular hunter could kill in a decade, if I had to guess. |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 1:59am - ZJD ""] Well, buying a bunch of organic produce can be expenisve, but vegan =/= organic. I think seitan and gluten are basically the same thing, you can get canned gluten chunks for way cheap in asain markets or bags/boxes of different kinds of gluten hunks or flavored seitan for more money. I think seitan might just be flavored baked gluten, i'm not sure, it seems the same to me. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 2:03am - Lamp ""] *shrug* That is true that organic doesn't equal vegan, I did see a bunch of cheese products, probably even some organic beef or whatever. I did buy a bunch of bananas from that store that while smaller than regular bananas, turned out to be far superior in taste. I think groceries in general are probably expensive, but so is eating out of the house since you have to pay other people to make your food for you. Luckily for me I hate people and fail to see the point of leaving the house outside of working most of the time these days so I don't even miss going out to eat much. |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 2:12am - ZJD ""] Yes. Being able to create food at home > going to restaurants and paying more money. However, just saying, the vegan options at the restaurants I frequent are always the cheapest. Mostly I just can't make indian food anywhere near as well as I can have at a restaurant. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 2:22am - Lamp ""] Yeah, there's an Indian food place a town over from me but it's expensive. There's also a place with Thai/Chinese/Vietnamese/Cambodian food that has some good stuff. I know another town near me has a burger place with plenty of vegan options on the menu that's pretty damn good. |
| ________________________________________ [May 10,2007 3:52am - Jonah at home ""] I've been trying out a vegan diet for a month now and its not terrible or anything. I also haven't started making out with dudes or growing dreads or preaching to my friends, but maybe that comes later.. |
| _______________________________ [May 10,2007 10:28am - Yeti ""] i will eat a burger in honor of this child. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 11:25am - ZJD ""] Lamp said:Yeah, there's an Indian food place a town over from me but it's expensive. There's also a place with Thai/Chinese/Vietnamese/Cambodian food that has some good stuff. I know another town near me has a burger place with plenty of vegan options on the menu that's pretty damn good. Indian food is always expensive, but every indian place I've ever been to has a lunch buffet for 7 or 8 dollars, and buffets are incredible. |
| _______________________________ [May 10,2007 12:38pm - Lamp ""] That's awesome. If there's an Indian buffet around here, I don't know about it. The only buffets I know of around here are places that have inedible food, like Hometown Buffet. |
| ____________________________________ [May 10,2007 12:43pm - ariavette ""] I use to work for an indian lady and her whole familly worked there so they were always bringing in food they had made and i gotta say it was pretty fucking good.. they made one thing that was like spicy potatoes wrapped in home made bread.. wish i knew what it was called so i could find it somewhere. |
| _______________________________ [May 10,2007 12:43pm - Mess ""] http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2007/0..._of_starving_their_newborn_to_death |
| ____________________________________ [May 10,2007 12:55pm - ariavette ""] well that just proves it.. he didn't see a doctor at all? all newborns need variety of shots within the first couple weeks of birth .. |
| ______________________________________ [May 10,2007 1:03pm - hungtableed ""] Veganism is gay. If it's ok for animals to kill other animals then why is it that these upity queers get their panties in a knot when people kill animals for consumption among other benefits. With that said, I do think wearing fur is gay and is for yuppie fags. Vegans are just pussies who must feel guilty of the fact that we are pretty much at the top of the food chain. Much like most of the socialist liberal blame-America-first types who loath the fact that the U.S. has become the greatest and most powerful nation in the world. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 1:05pm - Yeti ""] cows, chickens and pigs weren't put here for show. thats what we have birds of paradise for. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 1:07pm - Yeti ""] [img] |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 1:09pm - ZJD ""] ariavette said:I use to work for an indian lady and her whole familly worked there so they were always bringing in food they had made and i gotta say it was pretty fucking good.. they made one thing that was like spicy potatoes wrapped in home made bread.. wish i knew what it was called so i could find it somewhere. Aloo paratha is a flat bread stuffed with a thin layer of spiced mashed potato and a vegetable samosa is a fried or baked turnover type thing stuffed with spiced poatato and usually peas. You can find both at any indian place. If I ever get a tattoo of different wonderful food items, I plan on including vegetable pakoras. They are the perfect fried food. |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 1:13pm - ZJD ""] hungtableed said:Veganism is gay. If it's ok for animals to kill other animals then why is it that these upity queers get their panties in a knot when people kill animals for consumption among other benefits. With that said, I do think wearing fur is gay and is for yuppie fags. Vegans are just pussies who must feel guilty of the fact that we are pretty much at the top of the food chain. Much like most of the socialist liberal blame-America-first types who loath the fact that the U.S. has become the greatest and most powerful nation in the world. You simply do not get it. When you compare animals eating other animals to us eating them and say our practices are okay because we are at the top of the food chain, I can only assume you refuse to read anything that might challenge your views. Carnivorous and omnivorous animals do not enslave other species of animals and keep them in dark boxes to piss on each other their whole lives in order to eat. We do. If you think that's okay then whatever, but if you pretend the difference isn't there in order to support your "vegans are gay" agenda then you are stupid. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 1:24pm - Yeti ""] this thread is making me hungry for innocent animal flesh. |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 1:40pm - pam ""] ZJD said:hungtableed said:Veganism is gay. If it's ok for animals to kill other animals then why is it that these upity queers get their panties in a knot when people kill animals for consumption among other benefits. With that said, I do think wearing fur is gay and is for yuppie fags. Vegans are just pussies who must feel guilty of the fact that we are pretty much at the top of the food chain. Much like most of the socialist liberal blame-America-first types who loath the fact that the U.S. has become the greatest and most powerful nation in the world. You simply do not get it. When you compare animals eating other animals to us eating them and say our practices are okay because we are at the top of the food chain, I can only assume you refuse to read anything that might challenge your views. Carnivorous and omnivorous animals do not enslave other species of animals and keep them in dark boxes to piss on each other their whole lives in order to eat. We do. If you think that's okay then whatever, but if you pretend the difference isn't there in order to support your "vegans are gay" agenda then you are stupid. This is the only thing that makes me not want to eat meat. I still do it, but I tell myself it's the thought that counts. I really want steak and cheese right now. |
| _____________________________________ [May 10,2007 1:41pm - HailAtWork ""] sacreligion said:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18574603/?GT1=9951 ATLANTA - A vegan couple were sentenced Wednesday to life in prison for the death of their malnourished 6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice. Superior Court Judge L.A. McConnell imposed the mandatory sentences on Jade Sanders, 27, and Lamont Thomas, 31. Their son, Crown Shakur, weighed just 3 1/2 pounds when he died of starvation on April 25, 2004. The couple were found guilty May 2 of malice murder, felony murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children. A jury deliberated about seven hours before returning the guilty verdicts. Idiots...how can people breed wihtout knowing that newborns can only drink breastmilk? You don't see other animals feeding their newborns food...duuuuh. |
| _____________________________________ [May 10,2007 1:45pm - HailAtWork ""] Hoser said:Ok, well then please enlighten me with YOUR solution to factory farming. How do you propose we feed 650,000,000 people? Communities that grow their own food locally, free-range farming, and fucking BIRTH CONTROL, because we can't possibly keep feeding this many people and keep living here. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 1:59pm - Lamp ""] I grilled up two different kinds of tofu, some sliced mushrooms, and added spinach and tobasco sauce to make some badass tacos for my lunch. That is all. (PS: to all the vegetarian/vegan haters, did it ever occur to you we might find this FUN? I never cooked for myself before I stopped eating meat, now I'm not too lazy to do it and I'm having a blast trying new things and cooking for myself.) |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 2:45pm - ZJD ""] Lamp said:I grilled up two different kinds of tofu, some sliced mushrooms, and added spinach and tobasco sauce to make some badass tacos for my lunch. That is all. (PS: to all the vegetarian/vegan haters, did it ever occur to you we might find this FUN? I never cooked for myself before I stopped eating meat, now I'm not too lazy to do it and I'm having a blast trying new things and cooking for myself.) I was a pretty adventurous eater before going vegan but I know a lot of people that have a much more varied diet now that they have gone vegan or vegetarian. Lots of people just eat burgers, pasta, fries, and bagels, decide to go vegan, and learn through a little research or from others about all kinds of vegan friendly ethnic foods and end up having a way more well rounded diet. |
| ________________________________________ [May 10,2007 2:45pm - Granny_Monster ""] Lamp said:I grilled up two different kinds of tofu, some sliced mushrooms, and added spinach and tobasco sauce to make some badass tacos for my lunch. That is all. (PS: to all the vegetarian/vegan haters, did it ever occur to you we might find this FUN? I never cooked for myself before I stopped eating meat, now I'm not too lazy to do it and I'm having a blast trying new things and cooking for myself.) I've noticed that vegans/vegitarians are the best cooks. When I was in California for a week I had some of the most amazing homecooked meals of my life and they were all vegitarian. Not vegan, though, this guy couldn't live without cheese. |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 2:48pm - ZJD ""] I love how this whole thread went way off track because veganism is more horrible than dead babies. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 2:50pm - Mess ""] Q: how do you make a dead baby float? A: two scoops of ice cream and a dead baby |
| ________________________________________ [May 10,2007 2:50pm - Granny_Monster ""] ZJD said:I love how this whole thread went way off track because veganism is more horrible than dead babies. Well, veganism is obviously what killed the child, you fucking hippie fag. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 2:50pm - Mess ""] they're good food |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 2:55pm - ZJD ""] Granny_Monster said:ZJD said:I love how this whole thread went way off track because veganism is more horrible than dead babies. Well, veganism is obviously what killed the child, you fucking hippie fag. oOpS! My B! |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 3:12pm - Yeti ""] Granny_Monster said:ZJD said:I love how this whole thread went way off track because veganism is more horrible than dead babies. Well, veganism is obviously what killed the child, you fucking hippie fag. bam! |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 3:13pm - Yeti ""] i really have no problem with people who want to eat rabbit food. its the people that go around saying "meat is murder" that drive me nuts. meat is not murder. thats such a retarded saying. |
| _____________________________ [May 10,2007 3:44pm - ZJD ""] Yeti said:i really have no problem with people who want to eat rabbit food. its the people that go around saying "meat is murder" that drive me nuts. meat is not murder. thats such a retarded saying. Meat is obviously not murder and lots of PeTA people bum me out, especially when they don't know what the fuck they are talking about and just want to rile people up rather than actually change minds. Most meat does come from practices more horrible than most human murder, though. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 4:16pm - Lamp ""] Whoever draws those PETA comic covers should do album covers. Tell me something like this wouldn't look badass on an LP. [img] |
| _____________________________________________ [May 10,2007 4:35pm - jimistolazytologin ""] the fact that Hoser and Hungatabled use the word gay in an argument just proves their ignorance right away. |
| _______________________________ [May 10,2007 4:36pm - aeser ""] hungtableed said:Veganism is gay. If it's ok for animals to kill other animals then why is it that these upity queers get their panties in a knot when people kill animals for consumption among other benefits. With that said, I do think wearing fur is gay and is for yuppie fags. Vegans are just pussies who must feel guilty of the fact that we are pretty much at the top of the food chain. Much like most of the socialist liberal blame-America-first types who loath the fact that the U.S. has become the greatest and most powerful nation in the world. i'm glad we're at the top of the food chain. i'm glad i have the option of being vegan and don't need animal products to live or be healthy. we are not carnivores, we are omnivores. and as for liberalism/hating america, how do you think america became the most powerful nation in the world? everybody wants to be rich and powerful and you don't become either by being nice. it's one thing to be on top, it's another to embrace being a prick about it. |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 4:54pm - Lamp ""] jimistolazytologin said:the fact that Hoser and Hungatabled use the word gay in an argument just proves their ignorance right away. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NOT EATING MEAT IS TOTALLY GAY, THERE'S NOTHING STRAIGHTER THAN TAKING A PLUMP, JUICY HOT DOG, PUTTING IT IN A BUN AND STUFFING IT IN YOUR MOUTH TOTALLY NOT GAY ROFL |
| _____________________________________ [May 10,2007 6:32pm - HailTheLeaf ""] aeser said:hungtableed said:Veganism is gay. If it's ok for animals to kill other animals then why is it that these upity queers get their panties in a knot when people kill animals for consumption among other benefits. With that said, I do think wearing fur is gay and is for yuppie fags. Vegans are just pussies who must feel guilty of the fact that we are pretty much at the top of the food chain. Much like most of the socialist liberal blame-America-first types who loath the fact that the U.S. has become the greatest and most powerful nation in the world. i'm glad we're at the top of the food chain. i'm glad i have the option of being vegan and don't need animal products to live or be healthy. we are not carnivores, we are omnivores. and as for liberalism/hating america, how do you think america became the most powerful nation in the world? everybody wants to be rich and powerful and you don't become either by being nice. it's one thing to be on top, it's another to embrace being a prick about it. Come on, invading other countries and killing thousands of innocent people and stealing their shit while preaching about how awesome we are isn't nice? There's nothing wrong with our government running the world like the mafia, just ask the people in the middle east, they love us...it's like not we've ever been bombed because of it or anything...I mean really, you're acting like we're actually assholes who are proliferating nukes around the world and causing an unpressdented rise in terrorism..golly gee. |
| _________________________________________________ [May 10,2007 6:41pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] <img src="http://www.portlandmercury.com/binary/277b1cb4/grab_bag-2629.jpeg"> |
| ______________________________________ [May 10,2007 8:26pm - hungtableed ""] HailTheLeaf said: Come on, invading other countries and killing thousands of innocent people and stealing their shit while preaching about how awesome we are isn't nice? There's nothing wrong with our government running the world like the mafia, just ask the people in the middle east, they love us...it's like not we've ever been bombed because of it or anything...I mean really, you're acting like we're actually assholes who are proliferating nukes around the world and causing an unpressdented rise in terrorism..golly gee. I'm not surprised you think this way. In fact, I should have expected something like this from you. You are exactly the socialist-liberal-blame-America first type I was talking about. The assholes in the middle east hate us because we became what they should have become when they were the worlds power in Europe. Then Islam came around and sent them ugly pigs back to the 7th century. They hate us because they are envious of our influence in the world. They cum themselves thinking about a world where their filthy religion enjoys an influential status parallel to the influence America has in the world. But shit, I guess I'm the ignorant one here I should realize that their hate and the rise in terrorism is completely rational and justified. After all, them middle easterners are just so sensitive, rational, and peaceful (see: http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=41116 ) |
| ______________________________ [May 10,2007 9:43pm - Lamp ""] Nobody gives a fuck about either of you. |
| ________________________________________ [May 10,2007 11:58pm - NuclearWinter ""] Well if these individuals were vegan for ethical reasons, I don't think there should have been concern with a baby drinking HUMAN milk from fat fucking woman tits like they're supposed to. |
| ________________________________________ [May 10,2007 11:59pm - NuclearWinter ""] Mother was obviously too concerned for animal mistreatment toward herself. |
| _______________________________ [May 11,2007 12:22am - Lamp ""] There's even soy formula out there too. Doing some reading after looking it up, it seems like there's pretty mixed opinions about it though. |
| ______________________________________ [May 11,2007 11:59am - HailAtWork ""] hungtableed said:HailTheLeaf said: Come on, invading other countries and killing thousands of innocent people and stealing their shit while preaching about how awesome we are isn't nice? There's nothing wrong with our government running the world like the mafia, just ask the people in the middle east, they love us...it's like not we've ever been bombed because of it or anything...I mean really, you're acting like we're actually assholes who are proliferating nukes around the world and causing an unpressdented rise in terrorism..golly gee. I'm not surprised you think this way. In fact, I should have expected something like this from you. You are exactly the socialist-liberal-blame-America first type I was talking about. The assholes in the middle east hate us because we became what they should have become when they were the worlds power in Europe. Then Islam came around and sent them ugly pigs back to the 7th century. They hate us because they are envious of our influence in the world. They cum themselves thinking about a world where their filthy religion enjoys an influential status parallel to the influence America has in the world. But shit, I guess I'm the ignorant one here I should realize that their hate and the rise in terrorism is completely rational and justified. After all, them middle easterners are just so sensitive, rational, and peaceful (see: http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=41116 ) Oh, that must be it, I'm sure they're not upset over being occupied, threatened and bombed by our government, (hey, tha'ts terrorism isn't it?). There weren't ANY suicide bombings there before we invaded, so logically that must be their fault...how can you still have your head that far up your ass? |
| ______________________________________ [May 11,2007 12:05pm - HailAtWork ""] Lamp said:There's even soy formula out there too. Doing some reading after looking it up, it seems like there's pretty mixed opinions about it though. Formula is for people who's breasts don't work. How are you going to pass any immunity to disease along to a baby if you're feeding it formula? Of course you'll also pass on the toxic chemicals that are now in all of us from the plastics industry, but for some reason people don't seem to mind that... |
| _______________________________________ [May 11,2007 12:44pm - hungtableed ""] HailAtWork said: Oh, that must be it, I'm sure they're not upset over being occupied, threatened and bombed by our government, (hey, tha'ts terrorism isn't it?). There weren't ANY suicide bombings there before we invaded, so logically that must be their fault...how can you still have your head that far up your ass? I wasn't really even talking about Iraq. How about 9/11? Is that because we "occupied them" or is it because they are fucking savages who are completely and utterly intolerant of anyone who does give praise be to allah the merciful. Just put on a fucking burka for shit's sake, it's really about fucking time. |
| ______________________________________ [May 11,2007 12:53pm - HailAtWork ""] hungtableed said:HailAtWork said: Oh, that must be it, I'm sure they're not upset over being occupied, threatened and bombed by our government, (hey, tha'ts terrorism isn't it?). There weren't ANY suicide bombings there before we invaded, so logically that must be their fault...how can you still have your head that far up your ass? I wasn't really even talking about Iraq. How about 9/11? Is that because we "occupied them" or is it because they are fucking savages who are completely and utterly intolerant of anyone who does give praise be to allah the merciful. Just put on a fucking burka for shit's sake, it's really about fucking time. 9/11 was a long-over due reaction to our government thinking they can run the world like the mafia with no consequences...and was carried out for the most part by people from Saudi Arabia, a country that owns 7-8% of our economy, and has serious issues with women's rights, but alot of oil. Therefore our "leaders" will continue to blow them without question and blame other people when terrorists from their country attack us. Iraq has never harmed us, EVER. |
| ___________________________________ [May 11,2007 1:04pm - ariavette ""] HailAtWork said:hungtableed said:HailAtWork said: Oh, that must be it, I'm sure they're not upset over being occupied, threatened and bombed by our government, (hey, tha'ts terrorism isn't it?). There weren't ANY suicide bombings there before we invaded, so logically that must be their fault...how can you still have your head that far up your ass? I wasn't really even talking about Iraq. How about 9/11? Is that because we "occupied them" or is it because they are fucking savages who are completely and utterly intolerant of anyone who does give praise be to allah the merciful. Just put on a fucking burka for shit's sake, it's really about fucking time. 9/11 was a long-over due reaction to our government thinking they can run the world like the mafia with no consequences...and was carried out for the most part by people from Saudi Arabia, a country that owns 7-8% of our economy, and has serious issues with women's rights, but alot of oil. Therefore our "leaders" will continue to blow them without question and blame other people when terrorists from their country attack us. Iraq has never harmed us, EVER. 9/11 was long over due? are you out of your fucking mind. small children lost parents, husbands lost wives.. etc. you going to go tell little johhny his daddy's never coming back b/c it was over due? you're a fucking douchebag |
| _____________________________________ [May 11,2007 1:07pm - sacreligion ""] ariavette said:9/11 was long over due? are you out of your fucking mind. small children lost parents, husbands lost wives.. etc. you going to go tell little johhny his daddy's never coming back b/c it was over due? you're a fucking douchebag hahahahaha |
| _____________________________________ [May 11,2007 1:07pm - sacreligion ""] it's easy to bitch about the world when you don't see the problems in your everyday life all you have to do is make a commentary to feel important |
| ___________________________________ [May 11,2007 3:29pm - ariavette ""] sacreligion said:it's easy to bitch about the world when you don't see the problems in your everyday life all you have to do is make a commentary to feel important right? because bitching about it is actually doing anything about it.. or that anyone actually gives a shit. |
| _____________________________________ [May 11,2007 3:33pm - HailAtWork ""] sacreligion said:ariavette said:9/11 was long over due? are you out of your fucking mind. small children lost parents, husbands lost wives.. etc. you going to go tell little johhny his daddy's never coming back b/c it was over due? you're a fucking douchebag hahahahaha Looking back, yes, I'm surprised we weren't attacked sooner...you can't expect to have a government that's made it a habit over the last 60 years to invade countires, kill thousands of people and steal their resources to support our lifestyle here, and have no bad reaction or consequences. The problem is that the government never faces the consequences of these actions, we do. You can't keep kicking people in the face and expect them to keep smiling at you. You seriously think no one is ever going to retaliate if we let the government continue this behavior toward the rest of the world? Do you have any idea what our foreign policy is? |
| _______________________________ [May 11,2007 4:56pm - aeser ""] hungtableed said: You are exactly the socialist-liberal-blame-America first type I was talking about. there is nothing in the consitution against socialism, and the founding fathers WERE extremely liberal. this country is founded on liberalism. socialism did not exist for half of this countries existance and was only demonized post-world war 2 because we didn't want russia gaining more power than the U.S., hatred of liberalism IS hatred of america. it is anti-american. hungtableed said: The assholes in the middle east hate us because we became what they should have become when they were the worlds power in Europe. they were never the worlds power in europe. muslims took over as far as constantinople in turkey and made that city and country islamic and changed the name to istanbul, that's about as far and as much power as they ever got in europe. hungtableed said: Then Islam came around and sent them ugly pigs back to the 7th century. as i said it wasn't until they formed the islamic empire that they got anywhere into europe. also for the first couple hundred years, the islamic empire was the center of academia in the world. most of the great advances of man during that period were made by muslims in great islamic schools. it wasn't until much later that they fell into their current dark ages. europens/christians also went through a dark ages if you recall. hungtableed said: They hate us because they are envious of our influence in the world. everybody wants influence in the world, unfortunately in reality this is not influence we're talking about but domination. and yes, america is on top in the domination racket and islam would very much like to be on top, it's no secret or surprise, it's the same shit that's been going on since the dawn of civilization. group of people get together, become powerfull, take shit over. another group gets together, becomes powerfull, takes over that group. hungtableed said: They cum themselves thinking about a world where their filthy religion enjoys an influential status parallel to the influence America has in the world. well, islam is the 2nd biggest religion on earth. they have enourmous influence. religiously speaking i think they have way greater influence than christianity has. you don't see die hard christian soldiers the world over. hungtableed said: But shit, I guess I'm the ignorant one here I should realize that their hate and the rise in terrorism is completely rational and justified. After all, them middle easterners are just so sensitive, rational, and peaceful (see: http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=41116 ) i don't think their goals are justified, i think islam is just another corrupt empire gripped by a struggle for power and domination, and i am VERY glad they do not have world domination as i have absolutely no intentions of living under sharia law. but to ignore the faults of the U.S. simply because islam is fucked up is ignorant as hell. being an asshole is not ok simply because someone else is a bigger asshole. and globally speaking the U.S. is the bigger asshole. saudi arabia is not opressing me. also remember "america" is many things to many people. to some it is our government, to others it is our populace, to others it is our culture, to others it is our corporate culture (the real power source), to others it is our technology, and hating aspects of america does not make one anti american, especially given the ideologies that founded this very country. see something wrong, try to fix it, to create a better place to live. |
| ______________________________ [May 11,2007 4:57pm - Lamp ""] ... |
| _______________________________ [May 11,2007 8:54pm - Hoser ""] ...... |
| _______________________________ [May 11,2007 8:54pm - Hoser ""] Lamp said:... By the way I had 2 more dots than you did... |
| _______________________________ [May 11,2007 8:55pm - Hoser ""] oops....3 more |
| ______________________________________ [May 11,2007 9:06pm - GoatCatalyst ""] I'll admit to not reading more than the first few posts on this thread... and while I'm a little curious how it turned into a scholarly roundtable on Spetmember 11th, I will offer the following: 9/11 was a reaction to American foreign policy and our support of Israel. CNV... ? |
| _______________________________ [May 11,2007 9:07pm - Hoser ""] Isreal and zionist pigs suck dicks. |
| ________________________________________ [May 12,2007 12:29am - NuclearWinter ""] hungtableed said: The assholes in the middle east hate us because we became what they should have become when they were the worlds power in Europe. they were never the worlds power in europe. muslims took over as far as constantinople in turkey and made that city and country islamic and changed the name to istanbul, that's about as far and as much power as they ever got in europe. That's inaccurate. You're forgetting the Moorish occupation of Al-Andalus between the 10th and 15th centuries. The Caliphate of Cordoba was the central non-Christian power in Europe during the 11th century, and the Caliphate exchanged embassadors with the Holy Roman Empire which itself was experiencing a period "dark ages." While the rest of Europe was plunged into the Dark Ages, Muslim occupation helped the Iberian Peninsula to flourish and produce some spectacular works of art. |
| ______________________________ [May 12,2007 1:26am - Lamp ""] Hoser said:Lamp said:... By the way I had 2 more dots than you did... I just wrote "shut up" and "nobody cares" over and over again in caps but that post right above mine wasn't there when I was writing the post and I edited it out because it seemed like a good enough post to me. |
| _____________________________________________ [May 13,2007 2:24pm - jimistolazytologin ""] Lamp said:jimistolazytologin said:the fact that Hoser and Hungatabled use the word gay in an argument just proves their ignorance right away. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NOT EATING MEAT IS TOTALLY GAY, THERE'S NOTHING STRAIGHTER THAN TAKING A PLUMP, JUICY HOT DOG, PUTTING IT IN A BUN AND STUFFING IT IN YOUR MOUTH TOTALLY NOT GAY ROFL hahahahahahaha |
| ______________________________________ [May 13,2007 2:25pm - swamplorddvm ""] HAHAHA. They try to save the life of an animal and starve their own kid. |
| _____________________________________________ [May 13,2007 2:31pm - jimistolazytologin ""] This is just an example of extreme vegetarianism, if you use this to base your opinion on all vegetarians you're a moron. |
| __________________________________ [May 13,2007 2:37pm - Niccolai ""] veganism is not what killed the child. Neglect is. Soymilk is not to be fed to a child as a substitute for formula and breastmilk, but a child can survive off of it. It didn't die from eating apple juice and soymilk, it died from not eating enough of it. And bedsores they found on the child are proof of it's neglect. ... and now the vegan couple is starving to death in jail because jail menues don't accomidate vegans and even though they will die in jail, they STILL won't budge and eat meat. Militant vegans are goons, people who protect them are goons, people to call them gay are goons, and you're all a bunch of goons. |
| ________________________________________ [May 13,2007 5:06pm - pam in quincy ""] Wow this thread got outta hand. |
| _______________________________ [May 13,2007 9:56pm - yummy ""] I ate at Crazy Burger the other day. Awesome restaurant. |
| _______________________________ [May 13,2007 10:13pm - Lamp ""] Crazy Burger is fucking fantastic, only been there once though. I gotta get back, that mushroom burger I had there was ace. |
| _________________________________________________________ [May 13,2007 10:38pm - ArrowHead is logged in... NOT ""] So, wait... If you stop feeding babies, they die? SWEET! |
| ___________________________________ [May 14,2007 10:52am - Niccolai ""] Most babies. I have a couple I've been trying to starve for WEEKS now. They are persistant little bastards. |
| _______________________________ [May 14,2007 5:47pm - yummy ""] I had an Ima B. Vegan burger today. It was fondiddlicious. |
| ___________________________________________ [May 14,2007 6:10pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] [img] |
| _________________________________ [May 14,2007 7:13pm - sxealex ""] im not even gonna read this bs. its not cuz they are vegan. its because they are idiots. being vegan is mad easy. i wouldnt raise a baby vegan cuz id b too afriad to. im sure u could do it if u breast fed them. tits are vegan. Hoser said:Well, then again.....vegans aren't really all that smart to begin with. Veganism is much like Christianity and religion in general. It's an semi-organized bunch of nutjobs with the same beliefs shitting on those who do not believe. They should all fucking hang as far as I'm concerned. Just like the Earth First assholes burning down car dealerships and buildings because the owners of said edifaces don't share the same beliefs. They are extremist nutjobs no different than radical muslims, southern baptists, devout Catholics, or any other retarded religion. Vegans just come up with a different stupid excuse for their moronic actions. what the fuck are you talking about? there are 100 ligitimate scientific reasons to be vegan. u dont have to get organized just pay attention what you eat. religion is fucking stupid fairy tale shit. earth first and peta have nothing to do with being vegan they are using veganism as an excuse to take out agression. so yes: peta/earth first = religious nutjobs. veganism != religion. im vegan... i eat honey, i have a leather wallet i got for free. I dont buy or eat shit that contains animal products on a regular basis. im not tellin u what to do. |
| _________________________________ [May 14,2007 7:18pm - sxealex ""] ps i hope yalls eat 3 animals for every animal i dont eat. this will result in immediate death because im not eating EVERY ANIMAL ALIVE. MUAHAHAHAHAHA |
| ______________________________________ [May 14,2007 8:48pm - swamplorddvm ""] jimistolazytologin said:This is just an example of extreme vegetarianism, if you use this to base your opinion on all vegetarians you're a moron. (If I did) I didn't. |